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Identifying mechanical wall clock

dw2007uk

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Hi

Could anyone please provide any info about this clock? It's 52cm (20in.) in diameter, so quite large. I've provided photos of the movement, but unfortunately I can't see any manufacturer markings or anything.

There's a pencil marking on the back which includes a date (Nov 10th 1928) so, assuming that's the date of manufacture, it's pretty old!

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David

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JTD

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There's a pencil marking on the back which includes a date (Nov 10th 1928) so, assuming that's the date of manufacture, it's pretty old!
I don't think that's the date of manufacture, more likely to be a repairer's mark.
A. Woodruff may have been the name of the owner for whom the repair was done.

I can't help with identifying the unmarked movement but there are those here who often can, so perhaps one will be along soon

JTD
 

Willie X

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The case style looks English. But that's purely a guess ...
Nice clock, Willie X
 

dw2007uk

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Thanks both for that info. It's a shame the movement doesn't have any markings and it doesn't appear to be an unusual movement either.
 

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It looks like a "Smiths" or similar English wall clock to me.
 
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Is it an anglo american one? We were still making fusee dial clocks till the early 70s.
 
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dw2007uk

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It looks like a "Smiths" or similar English wall clock to me.
Smiths didn't start until later, into the 1930s. However if it is an English clock (of another make) then it won't have gone far in its life because I'm in England!
 

novicetimekeeper

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Smiths didn't start until later, into the 1930s. However if it is an English clock (of another make) then it won't have gone far in its life because I'm in England!
Smiths started in the mid 19th century.
 

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Smiths started as the Enfield Clock Company in 1928. But you are right, they didn't start selling until 1932. I missed the 1928 date in your post. However, it still has a very Smiths look to me .
 

dw2007uk

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Sorry, I meant they didn't start selling domestic clocks until the 1930s. I'm not clear if they produced any clocks of this type in their early days though. The internet seems to suggest they produced some sort of clocks, but I don't know if they used the Smiths name.
 

novicetimekeeper

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The company traces its history back to Sam Smith in Newham but they are best known for their later mass produced clocks.
 

Chris Radano

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The movement suggests a Black Forest factory. Also does the soft wood case, and small side doors (traditional Black Forest clockmaking feature).
 

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Doesn't look like a Smiths to me nor a typical English Dial - German, methinks.

Weren't Enfield started by a couple of German blokes in the 1920s or early 1930's? The factory was in Enfield, hence the name. Smiths took them over later.
 

dw2007uk

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The movement suggests a Black Forest factory. Also does the soft wood case, and small side doors (traditional Black Forest clockmaking feature).
Is there an obvious use for the side doors? They don't seem to offer much of a view of the movement apart from the sides.
 

Chris Radano

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I suppose the side doors don't have much practical use. But they are a distinguishing feature of Black Forest clocks. I think your clock is a later one, probably around 1910.
 

dw2007uk

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I suppose the side doors don't have much practical use. But they are a distinguishing feature of Black Forest clocks. I think your clock is a later one, probably around 1910.
Thanks, that's interesting. Does this type of clock have a particular name? I don't think it's a "drop dial" one. I googled Black Forest clocks but it mostly came up with cuckoo clocks.
 

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We call them dial clocks, drop dials have an extension on the back box (the drop bit) that facilitates using a longer pendulum.
 
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This is a link to a closed auction for a very similar clock: Click Here

I think Mike might be onto something with the Smiths German heritage.
 

novicetimekeeper

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This is a link to a closed auction for a very similar clock: Click Here

I think Mike might be onto something with the Smiths German heritage.
To me that clock in the link is completely different. The one in the link has the standard appearance of an English dial clock of the period. The one in this thread has a completely different design of surround, of a type not usually seen on English dial clocks.
 

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It's a Black Forest clock that is probably an imitation of a French dial clock or baker's clock, based on the back box style. 1928 may be the date of manufacture, instead of a repair date.
Black Forest clocks had their own traditional case designs but many looked like imitations of clocks from other countries, such as dial clocks, Dutch clocks, or even Comtoise. The hands look English, so perhaps the clock was made for the English market. So yes looking at a clock like this may be confusing, after all it was designed to look like something else other than a clock from where it was made.
 
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Chris Radano

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There were so many types of clocks manufactured in the Black Forest. So much so, it is difficult to search for specific types. There are so many names to describe them

Here is one. Not exactly like yours, it is a few years older. But you can see the soft wood case and also the shape of the back box.

Here is another. Although no photos of the movement, it is described as Lenzkirch which would qualify as a Black Forest clock. This is what I mean when I say it is an imitation French clock, that case style is French.

The 2 clocks above are not exactly like your clock, but yours is from similar heritage.
 

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Smiths/Enfield made a similar movement but it is sufficiently different to indicate this one isn't theirs.

Just for interest the Enfield Clock Company was formed in 1929 by Carl Schatz when he purchased the stock, machinery and designs of Badische's Gutenbach works, in 1933 Smith's English Clocks (formed in 1931) took a controlling interest in Enfield. The firm of Samuel Smith & Son was first established as a watchmaker and jeweller in 1851 with the opening of their first shop in Southwark.
 
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leeinv66

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To me that clock in the link is completely different. The one in the link has the standard appearance of an English dial clock of the period. The one in this thread has a completely different design of surround, of a type not usually seen on English dial clocks.
And that's what makes this such a wonderful resource, we can all express our own opinion. The clock I posted does have a different surround, but the rest of it (dial, hands, side and bottom doors and the type of movement) are all similar. That is all I was pointing out. It may well be a German clock, but it was obviously made to look English. At least it does to me.
 

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