Identifying a Seth Thomas Clock

bchen100

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Enclosed are photos of a Seth Thomas Clock I just acquired.
The label seems to identify it as made around 1921 but the rear of the clock has a number printed on it - 6881F which seems to be a reverse year code meaning June 1886, and doesn't seem to match the label dating, unless I am mistaken. I would appreciate any help in naming the model or any other information that could be supplied about it.
Also, the logo on the face of the clock isn't familiar to me. Is it actually a Seth Thomas logo or has someone just changed the label on the face of the clock and used something from a different manufacturer?
I have not yet dismantled the rear of the clock to check markings on the movement.


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The logo on the dial is not Seth Thomas it is Swiggart they made replacement clock dials. I think its older than 1921 as it has a tapered pin holding the hands on. Nice find.
 

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The logo is from the EJ Swigart company, from Chicago, who provided replacement parts... which means at least the center part is the dial has been replaced
 

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Guys… Please give me time to type!!! :)

You beat me to it
 

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I try to be speedy Bruce. LOL.
 

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The logo is of E&J Swigart (note ampersand and spelling). They were in Cincinnati, not Chicago, and closed in late 1992. Among other things, they supplied replacement clock dials, gaily bedight with their logo, which is often mistaken for that of Seth Thomas, Sessions, and Seikosha, and who knows who else.

The June 1886 date is correct for this clock (6881 F). The clock is the Newark, one of the so-called Seth Thomas City series. Tran Duy Ly's book on Seth Thomas clocks (3d ed., vol. 1) shows it from the 1894 catalogue, but, of course, it could have been offered some years before or after that year. Your clock is a prime example of the "before."

Why do you think the label puts it around 1921?
 

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The label appears as a 1921 label in the website Dating Antique Clocks By Their Labels And Trademarks. I am attaching a photo of the listing. They must have got it wrong.
By the way, I looked up the Newark clock and it seems to have been an alarm clock with a Woods mechanism which is wound up weekly and sounds once a day.
Maybe the replacement dial covered this? Where would I find evidence of this in the clock?

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The label appears as a 1921 label in the website Dating Antique Clocks By Their Labels And Trademarks. I am attaching a photo of the listing. They must have got it wrong.
By the way, I looked up the Newark clock and it seems to have been an alarm clock with a Woods mechanism which is wound up weekly and sounds once a day.
Maybe the replacement dial covered this? Where would I find evidence of this in the clock?

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Not knowing what clock in which the label on ACPG was found, I can't say where the 1921 date came from.

The Newark came with or without alarm. Those with alarms may well have had Wood's patent alarm, at some of them. The movement would need to be seen to determine whether it is time and alarm or time and strike, and whether it appears to be the original movement. The back of the dial pan should be looked at to determine whether there was an opening to accommodate an alarm disc. The opening might also be apparent by touching the dial around the hand shaft to feel for a depression where the opening would be. Also look for additional mounting holes to determine whether the dial pan might have been replaced.

BTW, does the clock strike the hours?

The following link contains a good bulletin article on Wood's alarm:

https://docs.nawcc.org/Bulletins/1990/articles/1998/315/315_482.pdf
 
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Looks like the op is not a NAWCC member so he wont be able to open the link you provided Steven.
 

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I'm working on that....the website says my email address is already registered but it won't recognise my password. I applied to someone to deal with it. Hope it gets sorted out soon
 

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I'm working on that....the website says my email address is already registered but it won't recognise my password. I applied to someone to deal with it. Hope it gets sorted out soon
You are registered on the message board, but the area of interest is in a section exclusive to paying NAWCC members, not message board only members.

Tom
 

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