Identify Manufacturer, Age, Rarity of 'Winding Without Key' Pocket Watch

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  1. timeless1

    timeless1 Registered User
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    Hi,
    I would very much appreciate any help in identifying the MANUFACTURER, AGE, RARITY of this pocket watch. The movement and case have the same serial number, "34991".

    The cuvette cover is marked, "WINDING WITHOUT KEY"; the winding keys are fold-down.

    The case has 2 hallmarks inside the rear cover; "ARGENT (with a Chevron patter) and "FM (O or C?)" over "N" inside a box outline. The outer covers have detailed engravings of a train and sailing ships.

    The enameled dial has a cutout to the lower half of the subsidiary seconds register, with a lower 'rotating' enamel disc with a train engine and passenger car motif.

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  2. MartyR

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    I've never seen one like it :?| ... but I'll bet Enrico has ...

    I have seen that winding key (but only as a modification to the original watch) and I've never seen it used at a hand setter. I've never seen a seconds dial like tnhat. I've never seen the word "argent" (French for silver) used in conjunction with what appears to be a Neuchatel chevron assay mark (and that combination seems suspicious to me), and I've never seen that maker's mark (FMx in a rhombus) and nor has Mikrolisk as far as I can find.

    So is it rare? I think it is, depending on what you mean by "rare" :)
     
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  4. timeless1

    timeless1 Registered User
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    Thank you Marty and Enrico for your replies; they are much appreciated! It was exciting to see another watch that is very similar, the case has the same markings with a serial number of '30xxx' ; the other has a Swiss bar movement and I have a suspicion that this movement might have been modified to change it from a 'Swiss Bar' to adding the bottom plate, it just looks to 'crude' to have been an original plate, with someone adding an obviously NOT original 'damaskeening' (if you can call it that!).
     

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