Identify maker of coin silver watch case ........ please......!

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  1. Marty W

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    I have not been able to identify the maker of this coin silver watch case and would appreciate any input any of the members might have.

    Thanks for any help,
    MartyW
     

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    Bumped to the top hopefully to get a reply.

    Thanks for anything,
    Marty
     
  3. Jim Haney

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    Marty,
    I checked Niebling, Meyer's, Ehrhardt and can't find a reference to F. M.

    Case research is just starting and early American cottage industry cases are mostly unknown. Any silversmith or trade person could make a case in his shed and mark it.

    The design on the inter lid is similar to many of the early American Watch Case Co lids that I have seen.

    Some we may never know, but they add to the intrigue.:excited:
     
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    Despite the movement being a Wm Ellery, and the case probably being original, I'd spend a little time looking at English case-makers for that one. I don't find any American makers that would likely abbreviate to "F.M" either. The reason I mention English makers is because of the style of the cartouche on the cover. It reminds me of the the buckle-looking cartouche that is common to English cases.

    I found a website with a silver case that looks a lot like yours, stylistically, however it is presently for sale. Posting the link may break MB rules, so I'm not posting. If you search under "cartouche on watch case", you'll probably find the one I'm referring to. Good luck. Cheers.
     
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    Appreciate the tip. The case did not turn up right away using that search, but what you're saying makes sense to me. As I understand it, US watchmakers were still importing cases from Europe for their American-made movements in the 1860s. Can you give me more precise search parameters for this particular case?
     
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    Sorry, I mislead you a bit with the search parameters. What I used was "cartouche" watch case. Good luck.
     
  8. Clint Geller

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    I'm guessing "F. M." is a retailer's mark. Whether this firm also actually made the cases that carried their marking is unclear. And the same initials appear on gold cases too. I have seen Howard keywind watches with correct 18K cases marked "F. M.," but I have never been able to attribute a maker to the mark. Perhaps if one could find a business directory for Maiden Lane in NYC for one of the years 1860, 1865 or 1870, that would identify the firm.
     
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    I don't know who made them but I had an Elgin that dated to 1877 with the same mark. It was a heavy KW hunter and the case number was 8678. -Cort
     
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    Thanks All. I did the search that Dr. Geller suggested re: Maiden Lane business directory retailers from 1860 -1875, and also ran an exhaustive internet search on "FM" silver marks. My research disclosed the following potential candidates:

    Franz F. Meyer, Halifax - Nova Scotia 1809-1847

    Frederick Marson, England 19th c./2nd half

    Francis Martin, Dublin, Ireland 19th c./2nd half

    Frederick Marquand, New York, Savannah, Ga. 19th C.

    Are any of these viable candidates?
     
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    In my opinion, the first three are not viable candidates. The fourth would be an extreme longshot.
     
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