I have Lizzie Borden's watch . . .

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  1. jboger

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    . . . or what remains of it. Someone gave it 40 whacks.

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    OK, OK, so it's not her watch. But it does come from Fall River, Massachusetts, where she lived. The signature on the watch appears to be Niels Arznen or Arnzon. Niels strikes me as Danish, but the last name I can not place.

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    Niels Arnzen - a Norwegian watchmaker and jeweler in Fall River, Massachusetts. Looks like he was born around 1818 in Denmark. I found references from 1840s to his being in Fall River. Found a later business list where he was included as a piano tuner - not sure if it was him, a descendant or someone who worked for him.

    Here are a few references. The first says he sold watches when he had a shipment, so not sure about the "watchmaker" part of it. The second link shows a fusee watch with his dial and attributed to him. The third link shows his trademark.

    The Herald News, Fall River, MA
    Neils Arnzen Fall River Mass. American Made Fusee 18k - Nov 18, 2017 | Dan Morphy Auctions in PA
    American Silver Marks A - Online Encyclopedia of Silver Marks, Hallmarks & Makers' Marks

    Good luck with the watch and in your search to learn more about him.
     
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    jboger, Niels Arnzen was born 07/03/1816 in Christiana, Norway, died Fall River, Mass 4/23/1906. Sold watches, jewelry and musical instruments and was a watch repairer, instrument repairer, piano tuner and silvesmith in Fall River from at least 1853 until his death. He had a son, William Niels born 9/1854, daughter Laura, b. 8/1882, wife Eliza, 1830-1855, wife Mary E, 1843-1927, md 1861. He emigrated to Massachussetts in 1836. He is buried in the Oak Grove Cemetery in Fall River with his two wives. His son followed him into the business and the business was Niels Arnzen and Son in 1874. Just in case you were interested.
     
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    Very much interested. And thanks to both of you for that information. I recall an earlier attempt many years ago to find such information and failed. Note that the listing on the auction site Liveauctioneers describes the watch as "American made." Well, we know that not to be true.
     
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    So, no dial or case? Looks like it was a decent watch at one point in its life.
     
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    Yes, no dial and no case. Also no upper hole and cap jewel on the balance cock, and no jewel on the fusee. Someone stripped this watch for parts.
     
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    I'm curious. Do my Foreign Correspondents know who Lizzie Borden was? We all know the name Jack the Ripper although not his identity. Lizzie Borden was acquitted.
     
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    Lizzie Borden and her axe, gave her mother 40 whacks and when she was good and done, she gave her father 41, just in case nobody heard it.
     

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