How to make a dovetail for replacing a wheel tooth

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Following a recent thread on wheel tooth repair I thought it might be useful, and enjoyable, to show a few techniques I use when repairing/dovetailing a tooth on a French wheel. These teeth are very small and can be challenging to replace. I've enjoyed doing this, I hope it offers something to someone, maybe a useful sticky in repairs?

I have used a French wheel from my parts bin.

The tooth in question can clearly seen to be bent in Pic 1. Before the tooth is removed, using a sharp scribe, score a line from the centre of the base of the old tooth on the radial line to centre of the wheel, no deeper than half the depth of the rim, pic 2. Once this is scribed the tooth can be carefully taken off using a very fine blade on a jewellers scroll saw; fine enough to fit between the teeth and cut along the line of the wheel circumference.
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Using the scroll jaw, cut into the wheel along the scribed radial line to the desired depth, pic 3. Avoid cutting deeper than half of the depth of the wheel rim. When using a scroll saw for these micro jobs I have found the scroll saw easier to use and control if only approx a quarter of a blade is used.

Use the scroll saw to carefully cut the dovetail sides, to the same depth as the centre line already cut, pic 4. The scroll saw can be carefully used to remove any brass in the dovetail hole. Using a very thin cut of 600 grit wet and dry cloth in a ‘to and fro’ motion with both hands will effectively smooth the base of the dovetail, pic 5. Wet and dry paper will break doing this, the fibre backed type is ideal for this.

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Finishing or widening the dovetail side is tricky in such a tiny space. My preference here is to use the cheap Indian suspension springs with wet and dry paper glued to one side, pic 6. This technique creates a tool that can work effectively in this small space and also will not abrade other areas of the working space, pic 7.
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Once you’re happy with your dovetail hole, pic 8, cut a piece of donor brass, place it under the dovetail hole, mask the wheel up with tape; holding the donor piece tight to the wheel with the tape, pic 9. Spray the dovetail very lightly with an aerosol paint and leave to dry. Any paint on the wheel will dissolve in some acetone, and you will have the impression of the dovetail left on the donor brass, pic 10, which will be a great help when cutting the new tooth/dovetail insert with the scroll saw. Leave plenty of brass at the large end of the donor piece for handling and holding in a vice, pic 11. It will also be a lot easier to find if you drop it, or subconsciously put it down on the bench whilst looking for a different tool.

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The donor piece needs to be a tight fit. It is a good idea, with a very fine paint brush , to apply a little solder flux in the joint before fitting. I use Tix flux and solder.
When you are happy that it will go in with a little gentle persuasion, I have found the best way is using a staking tool and a small piece of ‘Bluetac’, pic 12, a little tap with a brass ended flat punch will fit the piece squarely. Ensure there is excess donor brass either side of the wheel, and using a steel flat punch in the staking tool, ‘peen’ the donor brass to fit/fill the dovetail hole well, pic 13. This is why the flux has already been applied in the joint.

Only very tiny chips of solder are needed for the joint, It is helpful to squash the solder in smooth nose pliers, cut teeth longways and then trim tiny pieces off and place them on the seams on the joint, pic 14. This needs doing under mag, I use 10x for this as I like to have the solder pieces ‘standing up’ as in the picture. Placing the solder in this way I find that the solder, melts, drops and flows straight into the joint and much less on the wheel rim, pic 15/16.

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A mini butane soldering torch with a fine hot air nozzle attachment, to ensure there is no flame, and at a low/med heat from underneath does a great job. Some prefer other heat sources, including alcohol lamps. After it has cooled clean off any flux thoroughly.

I prefer to leave a ‘long tooth’ throughout, up until the next stage, as it is easier to see that the new tooth is still on the radial line. When cutting off the excess tooth, and filing to length it is a good idea to protect the adjacent teeth tips with tape, and keep checking it has not been breached, pic 17 .

If the gaps between the new tooth and adjacent teeth have been compromised, by solder for example, it can be very tricky to ‘make good’ in such a small gap. Get another of those cheap Indian suspension springs, put it in the vice, and ‘skip’ a needle file across its edge to give it very fine teeth, pic 18. Using this will make a good job of re-defining the 90deg root angle of the tooth in the gap, where most files will not fit, pic 19.

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If the new tooth is too wide, use the suspension spring with the wet and dry paper stuck to it to reduce its width. Again, using this will ensure only the width is abraded, not the gaps base. These can also be used to finely finish the tooth’s profile. Carefully remove excess brass from the tooth to match the wheel rim width, with damaging/marking the rim. The dovetail can be carefully finished/polished with very fine wet and dry paper, to a point where it is virtually invisible to the naked eye.
When using files to shape the tooth, it is best to use as fine a file as you can, cut grade 4 and above. ‘Escapement’ files are smaller than other needle files, for shaping the top of the tooth a Barette/safety escapement file is ideal. Good ones are not cheap, and should be saved for delicate jobs.

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Shimmy, what a great tutorial and photos. I will save this one for the future.

Thanks,

Will
 
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Really interesting and wow what an unbelievably neat repair, you can barely see it!
 
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Well done, Shimmy. I never would have thought to use a scroll saw with a fine blade.:thumb:
 
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Thank you for the kind comments folks.
@lirenlui, I use Tix solder and flux, it has a low melting temp.
It took approx 3-4hrs in total, I was stopping and starting, and I'm not a fast worker!
 
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Very nice! And a very good tip I got was to use the suspension spring and wet/dry paper combination for a precision file. Thank you for taking the time to show us. Obviously an exercise in patience. A couple of things I would suspect you didn't mention though. 1. A quiet, distraction free place to work, and 2. A couple of fingers of one's choice of spirits to steady the hands (LOL)
 
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Re: Tips for French wheel tooth replacement and dovetailing.

Great tutorial, and it's good that the word 'dovetail' is in the title (the suffix should not deter a search engine)! Great pic's too, and I had to smile at the not so subtle NAWCC add :)
 

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Great tutorial, and it's good that the word 'dovetail' is in the title (the suffix should not deter a search engine)! Great pic's too, and I had to smile at the not so subtle NAWCC add :)

Thanks shutts. Good point re the suffix in the title, my poor literacy! Appreciate it if that could edited please Bangster?

I charge very little for advertising, depending on what digit the ad is written on :)
 
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An outstanding article. With your permission, I'll add a link to it, to the Repair Hints forum. What do you want edited?
 
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An outstanding article. With your permission, I'll add a link to it, to the Repair Hints forum. What do you want edited?

The perfect title would be "How to make a dovetail for replacing a wheel tooth"
 
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An outstanding article. With your permission, I'll add a link to it, to the Repair Hints forum. What do you want edited?

Thank you Bang.

I think the title as suggested by Shutts is better than the current one, i.e. "How to make a dovetail for replacing a wheel tooth", dovetail or dove tail, what ever you think would be more helpful in the search engine.
 
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Thank you for the kind comments folks.
@lirenlui, I use Tix solder and flux, it has a low melting temp.
It took approx 3-4hrs in total, I was stopping and starting, and I'm not a fast worker!


thank you so much !
I will learn it.

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I have found it easier and more forgiving to make the patch first, then with a very sharp scribe make a pattern on the wheel. Go slow and get a tight fit of patch in wheel. If you are metal shaping challenged you can always use a small peen hammer to make a tight fit, then solder.
 

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I can see how that'd work too Moe. I like to expand a donor piece, with a rivet set up, as shown, into a good shaped cutout. Don't matter if the donor part isn't quite tight enough before being hit to expand into the cut out. It will be after!

thanks Tom, I know a few folk that'd say the opposite :)
 

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Hi all,
First let me say an excellent article on a tooth repair.
That said.I would like to share a somewhat different approach to the dovetail repair. The first issue that I have encountered is that getting the zero tolerance fit is and can be a bit difficult.The other drawback is that the filler piece is small enough to be difficult to fine tune the fit. Let me also say that as a cabinetmaker I am quite familiar with dovetailing.
The approach that I use now is to select a piece of brass that is the same thickness as the wheel that I want to repair. Then and this is the part that is different,I use a graver to cut the pin on the end of the piece. I also make sure that there is a taper in the cut. That is one end of the cut is close to the end and the other is further away. I still use a jewelers saw to cut the tail. When this is done I fit the repair piece (the pin) to the tail. Because the cuts with the graver have been tapered and there is excess material on the piece these adjustments are pretty easy. When I am satisfied with the fit I rough trim the pin to the thickness of the wheel and cut to rough length. I solder the pieces the same way a bit of flux and a tiny bead of solder.Heat from the opposite side and when the solder flows it's done. Then the finish filing which is now minimal. I have used this process on round movement French wheels with no problems.
The bonus(at least for me)is that it now takes me less time and the results are generally almost invisible.
Hope this helps,just a different approach.
tom
 

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Tom, you should add a couple of pic's to show your method. Your edit time might expire, but you can add some in another post if you're willing :)
 

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I'm with SB. I would like to "see" some stuff. I have read your post a couple of times and think I get it, but a picture would help. I like seeing alternate approaches.

David
 

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I don't think my reason for fitting the patch to the wheel was clear. You only want to whittle on the wheel one time. Patches are sacrificial..
 

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great tutorial.... a few too many ‘why didn’t i think of that!?!’ moments, but outweighed by looking forward to the next tooth replacement! :)
 

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Shim, published some excellent articles. We miss you Shim.
Willie
 

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Shimmy is still around. He looked in this morning at 5:00ish. Maybe he's posting in watches now? Not sure.
 

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Wonderful tutorial thanks,
I won't repeat what has already been said .great job .
Nice to learn tricks of the trade from a craftsman. With all hand tools ready to hand . :thumb::thumb:
Raymond.
 

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great tutorial, indeed... i've always felt more comfortable filing the notch with an escapement file (slowly and w/ magnification) than a jewelers saw... especially when just for one tooth. there's something about slow filing with magnification that just feels good....
 

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A wonderful tutorial, and interesting alternative approaches. The suspension spring tips were particularly helpful.
 
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