Help with ID of a large short drop.

[Chris.K]

I recently bought a large short drop that is unmarked but the movement looks familiar and can't place it. The works are held in by the normal wood blocks and the face is 12'' total diameter of the upper is 17'' and the case is 24 1/2'' overall length. Ty. Chris..
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[Steven Thornberry]

This is a New Haven clock, possibly the Drop Octagon No. 2. If it is that clock, it is missing side pieces, such as those shown here. However, given that the movement is an early New Haven, I wonder whether the case might be a holdover ffrom the Jerome Manufacturing Co., which went bankrupt in early 1856. New Haven subsequently bought up the holdings of Jerome. Jerome did use similar cases, some of which I have seen without the side pieces.

 

[Chris.K]

This is a New Haven clock, possibly the Drop Octagon No. 2. If it is that clock, it is missing side pieces, such as those shown here. However, given that the movement is an early New Haven, I wonder whether the case might be a holdover ffrom the Jerome Manufacturing Co., which went bankrupt in early 1856. New Haven subsequently bought up the holdings of Jerome. Jerome did use similar cases, some of which I have seen without the side pieces.

Thank you Steven for confirming my suspicions as I was looking at the strike train layout and shape of the escapement bridge. Not so much on the lower left but on the right you can see marking that look like something was glued there at one time. On the lower left you can barely see markings but not as prominent as the right. Thank you again Steven for the info, guess I dumbed into a good buy for half a Benjamin.. Chris..

 

[Chris.K]

This is a New Haven clock, possibly the Drop Octagon No. 2. If it is that clock, it is missing side pieces, such as those shown here. However, given that the movement is an early New Haven, I wonder whether the case might be a holdover ffrom the Jerome Manufacturing Co., which went bankrupt in early 1856. New Haven subsequently bought up the holdings of Jerome. Jerome did use similar cases, some of which I have seen without the side pieces.

I was wondering about the population of this large format t&s short drop and where they were mostly used ie coach station, rail station or school ? I do know that may of these large format clocks, in time only. were used later on in tandem with Estell's Programme clocks so larger classrooms could have visual and then an audible bell for end of class. I guess maybe I'm pondering too much... Chris.

 

[rmarkowitz1_cee4a1]

I was wondering about the population of this large format t&s short drop and where they were mostly used ie coach station, rail station or school ? I do know that may of these large format clocks, in time only. were used later on in tandem with Estell's Programme clocks so larger classrooms could have visual and then an audible bell for end of class. I guess maybe I'm pondering too much... Chris.

Clocks like this were made by a # of makers. The style of case if often referred to as a "chisel bottom."

Originally it had carved "ears" flanking the lower section. Often, they go missing. I have posted an example that had grain painted cast iron ears.

They could be time only and time and strike. I'm sure they could have been used in any # of settings, domestic and otherwise.

When you say marking, do you mean "label"?

Earlier on, Jerome made a version with an integral fusee movement, both time only and time and strike. Examples have been posted on the fusee thread.

Not sure about your statement re: their relationship to Estelle Programme clocks and their use in tandem. Doubt it.

RM

 

[Chris.K]

Clocks like this were made by a # of makers. The style of case if often referred to as a "chisel bottom."

Originally it had carved "ears" flanking the lower section. Often, they go missing. I have posted an example that had grain painted cast iron ears.

They could be time only and time and strike. I'm sure they could have been used in any # of settings, domestic and otherwise.

When you say marking, do you mean "label"?

Earlier on, Jerome made a version with an integral fusee movement, both time only and time and strike. Examples have been posted on the fusee thread.

Not sure about your statement re: their relationship to Estelle Programme clocks and their use in tandem. Doubt it.

RM

I was referring to makers stamp on the works and re: to use of both clock in tandem it would have been a time only clock and the Estelle to. mark the start of class and the end of class. Like I said earlier I may be pondering too much.. Chris..

 

[Willie X]

Could this be an 'Anglo' clock? Willie X

 

[Steven Thornberry]

Could this be an 'Anglo' clock? Willie X

Not my first guess. The chisel bottom drop would be unusual for an Anglo-American clock, and I would expect the wood dial surround to be attached with wood pegs, which does not seem to be the case here, so far as I can tell. Neither of these thoughts are engraved in stone, however.

 

[rmarkowitz1_cee4a1]

Could this be an 'Anglo' clock? Willie X

Not a bad suggestion, but no, it's not.

A very typical American chisel bottom that was made by a # of companies, including Jerome and New Haven.

RM

 

[Willie X]

It was just a thought, it does have that 'look' about it. Willie