Help with French clock maker A.F.

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  1. whcureton

    whcureton Registered User

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    Hello Friends
    I recently acquired a French Brevete S.G.D.G. boulle type mantel clock.
    Time only and porcelain dial with Roman Numerals. Along with some
    other numbers and letters stamped on the roulant are A.F.
    Does anyone know if that is the makers I.D. and if so, who is it?

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    One other question while I'm asking ... LOLOL ... is there a preference
    for how to reference Tran du Ly when describing a clock? For example,
    is it more proper to say "Tran # so and so page whatever" than "Ly # so and so page whatever" ... I see it called out both ways. Does it matter or is
    there a recognized protocol for this? Just nit picking.
    Many thanks!
    - Bill
     
  2. KurtinSA

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  3. whcureton

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    Hi Kurt
    Thank you, I saw that and I understand it to be in the case of more formal usages such
    as publication and or copyright type citations. I was asking in the context of an informal
    pointer ... like in a verbal conversation or museum specimen I.D.
    For example, "Tran #202 page 189". I guess what I really
    mean is do we use "Tran" or "Ly" as the name? Which would be the correct name to use first.
    Or does it matter?
     
  4. JTD

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    Tran is the surname, Duy Ly is the given name. Vietnamese (and Chinese and Hungarian and some other peoples) put the family name first and the given name last.

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  5. KurtinSA

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    I, too, have seen more informal references, but I think it would be best to follow the Admin's suggestion. Not sure the original source of the reference format...possibly the author??

    Kurt
     
  6. JTD

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    I never suggested anything other - I was simply pointing out the way Vietnamese names work.

    And there seems to be an error in the permanent post about quoting from Tran Duy Ly's books in that the last line of the penultimate paragraph talks about 'Mr. Ly's books', which is of course not correct. It should have read 'Mr. Tran's books' if the full name was not being used.

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  7. whcureton

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    Yes ... Tran would be his surname. I've seen others reference specific clock specimens as "Tran #whatever, page so and so" ... I think that is more "correct" than using Du Luy which is his
    given name.

    Any ideas on who A.F. as a French manufacturer might be?
     
  8. JTD

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    Yes, you are right in your thoughts about using Mr. Tran's name.

    The initials A.F. may not be the manufacturer. It is more than possible that this was an unmarked roulant which was either finished or wholesaled by A.F. If you can post a photo, it might help but many French movements remain unidentified.

    JTD
     
  9. Steven Thornberry

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    Thanks for pointing out the incorrect usage of Tran Duy Ly's name. It has been corrected. So far as A.F. is concerned, we have seen it many times but I don't believe it has been identified as yet. As JTD suggested, the initial may be those of the movement finisher.
     
  10. JTD

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    Thank you Steven, appreciated.

    JTD
     
  11. whcureton

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    Thank you Steve et. al. ... we'll put on our Sherlock Holmes caps and find "A.F." ... perhaps in some off the beaten path bistro drinking absinthe ... thanks again all
     

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