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Help with fixing a Black Forest clock

Jessk09

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I have just acquired this antique Black Forest clock, which in turn needs a good cleaning, weights, chains, and a pendulum.


Measurements: Movement:
6 by 6 inch dial Wood, with brass gearing
10 inch total height. 4 inches in width
10 inch total width. 4 & 1/2 inches tall
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Jessk09

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What i need help with is finding the correct size pendulum, chains, and weights plus taking out the movt. For cleaning and to fix the count wheel, [ it’s currently flopping around ]

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Uhralt

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You will need to do some measuring and experiments to answer some of your questions. In order to take the movement apart for cleaning, you need to remove the dial and the back plate. Once the back plate has been removed, there are two wooden panels that can be removed. One is for the time train, the other for the strike train. The panels are attached to the frame by a nail at the top of the panel. When the nail has been pulled, the panel can be pushed outwards from the top. The count wheel is usually held in place by a wire spring that puts light pressure on the wheel. That spring might be broken, lost or just not correctly attached. The weights will be in the 500 to 750 gm range. To determine the correct length of the pendulum it is best to make an experimental pendulum from some stiff wire and a little weight for a bob. Once you determined a length, you can look for a suitable pendulum at supply houses or places like ebay. The problem is that these clocks were made with different pendulum lengths, so one cannot give you a definite answer without doing the experiment or doing a full teeth count.

The correct size of the chains can be found by measuring the distance between the sprockets of the sprocket wheel. The chain must be such that the length of two links equals the distance between the sprockets, measured where the chain touches the sprocket wheel. The width of the chain links should be such that it fits nicely in the space the wheel provides.

i hope this is helpful.

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Jessk09

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Thanks for the suggestion Uhralt, But the dial seems to be nailed in and so does the backplate.

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Uhralt

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Thanks for the suggestion Uhralt, But the dial seems to be nailed in and so does the backplate.

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You should be able to remove both the dial and the back plate. Your first picture shows two hooks that hold the dial. There will be another one or two on the other side of the case. These hooks can be pushed out to the site. Take a close look and you will see in which direction to push.
The back plate can be removed by sliding a thin, flat screwdriver (or a solid knife blade) between backplate and case and wiggle the plate loose. This is best done close to the nails to avoid damage.

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Burkhard Rasch

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the nails that hold the plates firmly in the cage sit in recesses of the top board, often filled with the grim of centuries.Take a loupe and a dry brush to find these recesses,sometimes the grim has to be scratched out with a knife before getting access to the nail head.HTH
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Jessk09

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Good news!
The movement and dial are separated, and i took a side panel off to access the movement and came across these two brass plates, besides being decoration in a weird spot, can anyone tell me what these are for?

Regards, Jessk09


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Burkhard Rasch

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these prevent the strike arbors to fall out ; I´d leave them allone and clean "around them" after You pulled the gears of the strike train.
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