History Help with clock information and year of manufacture

[MOTYALTER]

רכשתי את השעון הזה ואני רוצה לדעת כמה פרטים עליו
בן כמה הוא
ומה מייחד אותו
אשמח לכל מידע שיקדם אותי בעניין הזה..

Translation:

I purchased this clock, and I would like to know some details about it. How old it is and what makes it special. I would appreciate any information that would advance me in this matter.

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[Richard.W]

Welcome !
What you have is a very nice long-case clock, fitted with a German movement made by Urgos. Judging by the oak case, the clock seems to be American made. If so, there should be additional labels inside the door or hood. The Urgos experts here would want to see a movement serial number to give a precise date, but I'd estimate mid-1980's.

If you can find no other labels or marks, then the clock may have been constructed from a kit. Kits were popular items in the 1980's. Urgos movements were supplied to numerous clock makers and kit makers during that period.

 

[MOTYALTER]

היי
בוקר טוב
תודה על העזרה
מאוד נחמד לחלק מידע
צילמתי את מנגנון השעון ומספר המנוע
יש גם מדבקה עם טקסט לא ברור
אודה לך אם אתה יודע משהו על זה
צילמתי גם את מנעול הדלת, אולי זה יכול לעזור עם מידע ארץ הייצור
ולסיום
לשעון יש אפשרות ללילה שקט
אני אשמח לדעת איך השעון מתי לילה ולהיות שקט
שוב תודה על כל המידע והעזרה

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[Willie X]

It's a 'modern clock' from around 1985. It has an Urgos UW66 movement. This movement would likely be due for an overhaul, or replacement. Willie X

 

[MOTYALTER]

צילמתי תקריב של האפשרויות לשנות בשעון

 

[bruce linde]

אם היית לוקח את הזמן להשתמש באינטרנט כדי לתרגם את השאלות שלך לאנגלית זה היה צריך להיעשות רק פעם אחת... במקום שכל אדם ואדם שרוצה לעזור יצטרך לחזור על התהליך שוב ושוב... נראה פחות יותר יעיל בעיני...p

 

[MOTYALTER]

Oh sorry I really send every text for translation
Maybe my computer is very advanced
and translates the text back into Hebrew before sending it to the forum
I promise it won't happen again
Should I raise my previous questions again?

 

[MOTYALTER]

Hey
Good Morning
Thanks for the help
Very nice to get information
I photographed the clock mechanism and the engine number
There is also a sticker with unclear text
Thank you if you know anything about it
I also took a picture of the door lock, maybe that can help with country of manufacture info
And to finish
The clock has a silent night option
I would love to know how the clock knows when it is night and be quiet
Thanks again for all the information and help

 

[MOTYALTER]

is it ok now ?

 

[JTD]

There is also a sticker with unclear text

The sticker is written in Russian. It says

Israel
N. Stern
&
I. Stern

Hope this helps.

JTD

 

[MOTYALTER]

Does this mean that the manufacturer of the watch is from Eastern Europe?

 

[JTD]

Does this mean that the manufacturer of the watch is from Eastern Europe?

No.

It's a German clock movement, but it could have been put together anywhere. Perhaps whoever sent it to Israel was Russian.

JTD

 

[bruce linde]

How old it is and what makes it special. I would appreciate any information that would advance me in this matter.

as mentioned previously, it is of the generation of clocks made in the 1970s and 80s. what makes it special is that you like it... clocks from that era are not that special to collectors, who look for much older clocks. the important thing to know is that the later movements like the one in your clock were designed to run for maybe 25 years.

does your clock run? is it 'in beat'? does it function properly? if/when issues arise you will find that people will advise that replacing the movement would be cheaper than trying to service the current one (unless you learn to do this yourself, which some of us have by studying the 'clock repair' forum religiously). neither servicing nor replacement are inexpensive... when the day comes, you might want to weigh servicing/replacing costs against what you could get for the same money on ebay or other sources.

the interesting thing about the older clocks is that they were built without considering longevity... and yet here they are, running 100+ yrs later while requiring only regular maintenance.... the older movements were/are much heavier duty and higher quality. they don't make 'em like they used to!

 

[MOTYALTER]

good evening
Thanks for the response
But I'm having a bit of trouble getting your distinction
In your opinion it is from the 70's 80's it is already a long time after 25 years
And still works great without grease and grease that needs to be cleaned
What's more, another watch I own from the manufacturer "Friedrich Mouth"
I don't know how old he is but at least 80 years
And he is really unhealthy
Cardiac arrest once a year
Sometimes too slowly and then after lubrication too quickly
Play all the time with the pendulum
I really don't like messing with him all the time
But I can't let him die just like that
That's why I think the grandfather clock I bought now
Worth more than antique and old watches
In the end, everything goes according to love
I thank you again for the answer

Attached are pictures of the German watch
MOTI

 

[bruce linde]

it's not an opinion that it's beyond its built in shelf-life... it's a fact.

it might be running, but the odds of it running 'great' are slim, and get slimmer the longer it runs without proper servicing. the guys who do this for a living recommend replacing movements like yours because it's cheaper than servicing... but still more expensive than the clock is worth. serious collectors do not consider clocks like yours good investments because they can get higher quality and better resale value, sometimes even for less.

mechanical clocks need to be serviced at least every five to ten years... which means full disassembly, addressing all issues (from worn pivots to out-of-round pivot holes to wear to dried up oil and lubrication to bent arbors to whatever). if you truly love your clocks, start reading through the threads in the 'clock repair' forum and learn how to service them. if you don't, the accumulated rust, and dust, and wear will continue to drag them down until you have no choice but to service or dump them. i hope you don't drive your car without changing the oil on schedule... same deal. on-going maintenance may not be inexpensive, but it's a hell of a lot cheaper than if you don't do it.

in the meantime, your original question was what makes it/them special. the answer is: you love them. other than that, there isn't that much that special about them. sadly, loving them but not maintaining them will severely limit how long you get to love them.

is what i predict.

 

[demoman3955]

it's not an opinion that it's beyond its built in shelf-life... it's a fact.

it might be running, but the odds of it running 'great' are slim, and get slimmer the longer it runs without proper servicing. the guys who do this for a living recommend replacing movements like yours because it's cheaper than servicing... but still more expensive than the clock is worth. serious collectors do not consider clocks like yours good investments because they can get higher quality and better resale value, sometimes even for less.

mechanical clocks need to be serviced at least every five to ten years... which means full disassembly, addressing all issues (from worn pivots to out-of-round pivot holes to wear to dried up oil and lubrication to bent arbors to whatever). if you truly love your clocks, start reading through the threads in the 'clock repair' forum and learn how to service them. if you don't, the accumulated rust, and dust, and wear will continue to drag them down until you have no choice but to service or dump them. i hope you don't drive your car without changing the oil on schedule... same deal. on-going maintenance may not be inexpensive, but it's a hell of a lot cheaper than if you don't do it.

in the meantime, your original question was what makes it/them special. the answer is: you love them. other than that, there isn't that much that special about them. sadly, loving them but not maintaining them will severely limit how long you get to love them.

is what i predict.

To me, the newer clocks have no character or style compared to the clocks from the 1800s. That dosent mean they are valued less by others. Its all personal taste. I have clocks that others would toss out, because i cant do it. I dont expect a perfect case, or spotless movement, but with a new clock, it seems they didnt even put the time into the cases. You cant beat a hand painted face

 

[MOTYALTER]

It makes me laugh
Because you say old and I plan something like 50 60 years and then you jump to the 1800s
I'm a 31-year-old guy and that's old and good for me
But I agree with you that a lover also needs a reason
If it was Siko or Samsung I don't think I would connect to it....
I don't want to philosophize
I bought the long watch with a Yurgos engine for an amount equal to 400 dollars
Did I get a good deal?
Full Disclosure
I've been offered a lot more since then but I don't plan to sell so it doesn't matter
But at least I know I made a good deal
Thanks again for the answer and help
Moti

 

[demoman3955]

It makes me laugh
Because you say old and I plan something like 50 60 years and then you jump to the 1800s
I'm a 31-year-old guy and that's old and good for me
But I agree with you that a lover also needs a reason
If it was Siko or Samsung I don't think I would connect to it....
I don't want to philosophize
I bought the long watch with a Yurgos engine for an amount equal to 400 dollars
Did I get a good deal?
Full Disclosure
I've been offered a lot more since then but I don't plan to sell so it doesn't matter
But at least I know I made a good deal
Thanks again for the answer and help
Moti

here is a pic of one of mine. its special to me, but all of mine have a little something i like. another pic of a hand painted face. the cracks and wear are what i like, just like the scars i have on me, but then ive earned every one of mine, and im 66.

 

[MOTYALTER]

Thanks "demoman3955" health up to 120
How old is your page clock?
He is very beautiful!

 

[MOTYALTER]

Is it possible to know how old is my "Firedich Maute" watch?

 

[JTD]

Is it possible to know how old is my "Firedich Maute" watch?

It is probably from the 1920s. Looking at your photos, it can be seen that your clock is very dirty and that is why it is not keeping good time. It needs to be properly taken apart, cleaned, overhauled and oiled. Just oiling a dirty movement will not help.

By the way, the correct spelling is Friedrich Mauthe.

JTD

 

[Burkhard Rasch]

judging by the box case and the movement the clock was made between the wars ca 1920-1930. The gong base is inscribed with DRGM which means Deutsches Reichs-Gebrauchs-Muster , a kind of low grade patent protection. The German "Reich" ended 1945 and nobody referred to it openly after that time.HTH
Burkhard

 

[bruce linde]

I bought the long watch with a Yurgos engine for an amount equal to 400 dollars
Did I get a good deal?

i'm glad you love your clocks, and hope you continue loving clocks the rest of your life.

that said, my completely subjective answer to your question is: i wouldn't pay $20 for your or any other 70s/80s clock.

part of the reason i wouldn't is because i've been collecting for a longer time and have able to find much better clocks for the same money. here are three, all purchased for $400 each... and, yes, i am both a good shopper and very lucky!

1. 1925-ish colonial 5-tube tall case clock with winterhalder movement. if we were to compare movement in this one with yours, it would be like comparing a rolls royce engine to low-end kia (sorry!) https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/winterhalder-3-train-5-tube-grandfather-clock.140152/

2. waterbury no. 8 jewelers regulator. one usually sees the no. 7, which is the wall clock version with a different base. https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/waterbury-regulator-no-8.143209/

3. 1780 english tall case clock. https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/tall-case-isaac-wood.174687/

speaking just in terms of resale... if i wanted to, i could sell the winterhalder with a phone call for $1500, the waterbury for $2k, and the english for at least $700... even in today's softer market.

again, glad you love yours... but with mine, i get the love, resale value and envy from the more savvy clock collectors here.

i guess it comes down to:

experience: varies
clock cost: whatever
love it: priceless

 

[MOTYALTER]

The clock has a silent night option
I would love to know how the clock knows when it is night and be quiet
Thanks again for all the information and help

 

[Willie X]

It will stop chiming/striking at about 10:00 PM and start back about 8 hours later. This is a 24 hour cycle and doesn't automatically match with the 12 hour cycle of the hour hand.

So (in short) if your clock stops chiming/striking in the late morning, you will have to stop the clock for 12 hours, or set the time forward (or back) 12 hours. This will resync the AM/PM.

That's the way it is ... Willie X

 

[MOTYALTER]

in brief

Can't tell where my watch was made as a whole?

The engine is German but the rest of the chassis is unknown.....
Too bad

 

[MOTYALTER]

After hours of inquiry and investigation I am inclined to believe that my watch is made by Ridgeway Watches