Help to identify this Elgin watch? (Actually Elbon)

[bonusbuilt1950]

I bought this Elgin watch today at a local clock show. I need so clues as to what model and era thjis watch is. It is an Elgin, says Non Magnetic on the face. Inside it has Elgin watch co., 13-8, seven jewels. Also says unadjusted and Swiss. Where you adjust the speed, it has AF stacked and the other side it has RS. I know the F and S mean slow-fast, but unsure of the AS letters. I'm trying to get a model for it so I can find the bigger winding gear, as it is missing teeth. I went on the pocket watch data base page and there's nothing there I could find. Looks to be a 12S. It runs

 

[Dave Coatsworth]

That is not an Elgin, but rather an 'Elbon'. This is a Swiss watch.

 

[bonusbuilt1950]

You're right!! No wonder I could not find anything on it. I better make an appointment at the eye doctors! OMG!!! LOL!!

 

[topspin]

The A and R stand for Avance and Retard (something like fast & slow in French.)

It's an interesting plate layout, whatever it is. Like brutalist architecture.

 

[musicguy]

Moving thread to European section.

Rob

 

[Incroyable]

The A and R stand for Avance and Retard (something like fast & slow in French.)

It's an interesting plate layout, whatever it is. Like brutalist architecture.

Or very Machine Age Art Deco.

 

[musicguy]

It does remind me of this Girard-Perregaux.




Rob

 

[eri231]

It is a caliber of Schild AS1076, also used by Girard Perregaux.
Regards enrico

 

[bonusbuilt1950]

I searched around last night to see if I could find the larger winding wheel ( forgive me if I don't use the correct terminology) and I sent inquiries out on that AS1076 model. So far nothing. Anyone know of a good source or have the wheel? Let me know. Can't find any parts catalogs online to look it up.

 

[Dave Coatsworth]

You mean the crown? (The part that you turn to wind the watch.) If so, this is not a part associated with the AS movement, but rather with the case. A watch repairer that understands vintage/antique pocket watches should be able to help you.

 

[Appa69]

I believe he means the ratchet wheel. It seems to be missing a couple of teeth.

 

[Skutt50]

larger winding wheel

You mean the crown?

It could be the Crown but I thought he meant the Ratchet wheel........

 

[Appa69]

If I'm not mistaken, as 1052 #415 would be the correct replacement part.

 

[roughbarked]

Yes. #415 is the part number.
Though I'd be a little wary as AS 1052 is a 16''' and AS 1076 is a 17.5''' maybe the ratchet wheel is still the same size.

family:
H= 4.15mm:
1052, 1054, 1067, 1068, 1087, 1148, 1369, 1379: 16'''
1063, 1064, 1071, 1072, 1080, 1121: 17'''
1075, 1076: 17.5''', negative stem mechanism
H= 3.5mm:
1058, 1059, 1069, 1070: 16'''
1065, 1066, 1073, 1074: 17'''

 

[bonusbuilt1950]

Yes, what I need is the ratchet wheel. So, I need to try to find that #415 part number and cross my fingers? Lol!!

 

[Appa69]

Pretty much. Check with parts houses, scour auctions sites... The thrill of the hunt!

 

[bonusbuilt1950]

That's what I'm doing. I wish I could find cataloging on this watch to verify part numbers. I'm an old Ford parts man and everything was by the catalog. I can find alot of old Ford parts thru various sources, but watch parts are another story! Seems like there's not alot of cataloging online for watches. I love the hunt.

 

[roughbarked]

That's what I'm doing. I wish I could find cataloging on this watch to verify part numbers. I'm an old Ford parts man and everything was by the catalog. I can find alot of old Ford parts thru various sources, but watch parts are another story! Seems like there's not alot of cataloging online for watches. I love the hunt.

The Bestfits books appear to solve many of these problems. Measuring the diameter of the wheel, counting the teeth and carefully measuring the square and the thickness at the square, will all help in locating a replacement.

 

[bonusbuilt1950]

I found some today that is a set of 2, with shipping included. they're for Swiss. German and Japanese watches. Hopefully, they'll help me solve this. We will see.....

 

[roughbarked]

I found some today that is a set of 2, with shipping included. they're for Swiss. German and Japanese watches. Hopefully, they'll help me solve this. We will see.....

I hope they were ratchet wheels(415) for pocket watches.

 

[bonusbuilt1950]

I hope they were ratchet wheels(415) for pocket watches.

No, I'm referring to the catalogs to look them up. Until they get here, I'll keep looking for the 415 ratchet wheels.

 

[bonusbuilt1950]

I got my 2 Swartchild Swiss catalogs today. They've seen alot of use. I've been looking thru both and have found references to the AS 1076 movement, but not alot of info on it. It shows parts, but real basic stuff. I look up the calibre number 1076, say go to page 148, go there and it has a pic of a 17L sized circle. No mention of A Schild or numbers. There are parts that are interchangeable with this watch. Looks like some internals. Nowhere have I any of the geartrain parts. Really strange catalog. The other, smaller one show a little more such as the hour, minute, second gears, hands, etc... I guess I was expecting to be able to find my movement, and have a complete list of all parts. Maybe someone can give a little more insight on how you use these books.
I did order a 415 ratchet gear as suggested.

 

[roughbarked]

Because some are 16 and some are 17 lignes, shouldn't matter about the ratchet wheel. It is likely the same size on both as the bottom plate is usually just a little larger to fit a 17 ligne case.