Help identifying this clock

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  1. goodeagle

    goodeagle New Member

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    Found this interesting small wall clock. Appreciate any help in identification.

    Thanks

    Kevin
     

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  2. Steven Thornberry

    Steven Thornberry User Administrator
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    I suspect that this clock does not have a movement made of wood, and I am moving the thread to the Clocks General forum.

    The clock would appear at first blush to be oriental, or possibly German made for the oriental market. But could we see a picture of the movement to make sure one way or the other?
     
  3. Tinker Dwight

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    The bottom characters are Chinese. Most likely the model number.
    I can read the numbers but not the rest:

    ?12124512?

    Tinker Dwight
     
  4. George Nelson

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    Tinker: Is there no end to your knowledge? You are quite impressive!

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  5. Tinker Dwight

    Tinker Dwight Registered User

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    The pinned hands means that it is likely more than 40 years
    old.
    You can remove the clock by undoing the thumb nuts that you can just
    see under the right and left side of the movement.
    Tinker Dwight
     
  6. JTD

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    I believe the numbers are 33453.

    JTD
     
  7. ballistarius

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    The motives on the pendulum bob are Jugendstil. That should place it between end of 19th and WWI.

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  8. Tinker Dwight

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    Yep, your right. 33453
    For what it is worth, it is the model number of the
    case. At least that is what I get from my mother-in-law.
    According to her, there is no indication of the manufacture.
    There might be something on the movement or inside the case.
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  9. lpbp

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    The pendulum style and pinned hands suggest to me German.
     
  10. Tinker Dwight

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    It could be German, but definitely sold in China. The sticker rough translation is a model
    or style of clock. It talks about the type of carving like it was a model number.
    At least that is what on MiL said.
    For what it is worth, the top 4 characters are either the name of the company
    that sold the clock or the ones that made the clock.
    ( I tend to favor it as the name of the manufacture but it could be either ).
    Tinker Dwight
     
  11. goodeagle

    goodeagle New Member

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    Thanks for all the replies. I'll see about removing the clock and checking the movement.

    Best,

    Kevin

    - - - Updated - - -

    Thanks Tinker, will do that.
     
  12. goodeagle

    goodeagle New Member

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    I removed the front and checked the movement. Here are some photos. The only marks are a number 2 and a S.
     

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  13. Charles E. Davis

    Charles E. Davis Registered User
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    I have been following this waiting for more photos. The logo is Seikosha and the back label is typical Japanese. The movement and style is very much German.
    Seikosha and Germany had close ties and the movement and pendulum may have been imported into Japan by Seikosha along with the pendulum, then cased for sale all over Orient.
    Would be interested in any history and where it was located.
     
  14. goodeagle

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    Unfortunately don't have any history. Picked it up at an estate auction. Looked very unusual in case design. Interestingly, they sold it as non-working for parts. Hung it up, wound it and it's been running great since. Do you feel this dates from the early days of Seikosha...c1890's?
     
  15. Charles E. Davis

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    I finally found some one I can be with who can answer my questions in Chinese and Japanese. He was born in Taiwan at the time it was under the control of the Japanese. This happened from 1895 to 1945. He came to the US as a college student and made his career here. So he is tri-lingual at least in reading of Japanese, Chinese and English.
    Shen he looked at the back pasted label he wrote this response.
    "The left hand side two characters mean 'Registered or Certified" and the right hand side two characters mean 'Craftsman or Craftsmanship'. And the vertical characters mean 'Number 33453'. All these characters emphasize the authentic product made by a certified # 33453 craftsman (with remarkable craftsmanship)."
    I have often seen the same or similar letters on either side of a trade mark to mean registered trademark. But I hae never seen the vertical numbers berfore.
     
  16. JTD

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    Charles, you would have learnt those numbers very fast if you had had to buy your fruit and veg. in the open markets in Hong Kong. Those numerals are used there and the sellers often suppose that foreigners will not be able to read them!
    That's how I was able to read them straight away.

    JTD
     
  17. Tinker Dwight

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    I got the order wrong at first but my ML straightened me out.
    Tinker Dwight
     
  18. Charles E. Davis

    Charles E. Davis Registered User
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    Numbers are no problem. You have to learn those before you can even open up any kind of a Japanese language help.
    The Kanji has been so flexible through the years with the Japanese that the old documents are as difficult for the modern Japanese student as the Middle English of the Canterbury Tales is for the modern American, me included.
    That is the reason that I now have a friend who can deal with both.
     
  19. JTD

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    Charles, didn't mean to imply you couldn't read the numbers, just trying to explain how/why I could. I agree with you entirely about the difficulty of Japanese Kanji (and even more when it's combined with the other Japanese sytems). I had a very good Japanese friend, sadly no longer alive, to whom I used to go with odd bits of Japanese script, sometimes on prints or paintings, and ask him to read them for me. Most of the time he could, but on the paintings the writing was often in the very fluid 'hanging' or 'garland' script. He used to look at me sadly and say 'Can you read medieval English poetry written by an artistic hand whose mind is on the beauty of the finished article rather than the ease of reading?'

    So I know what you meant (about Middle English) and am very glad you have found a friend who can read both Japanese systems.

    JTD
     
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