Help Identifying a (Possible) Omega Pocketwatch and (Possible) Omega Movement

DavidBerlin

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So I'm really lost here. My questions are--is this an Omega case? And is the movement an Omega movement? Did Omega ever not sign pocketwatch movements and not engrave serial numbers? i know there was a time when they didn't do either or both with wristwatch movements.

What the heck do I have here? Omega case with Chinese copy movement? Fake all around? Doesn't that minute hand look a little odd?

By nature I have trouble with fine details--its a personality flaw. Can anyone be helpful here? messages_0 (3).jpeg messages_0 (2).jpeg messages_0 (1).jpeg
 

John Matthews

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I cannot help with the movement, but the case carries the Omega trademark and the official Swiss hallmarks for 14K gold that were established by an act in December 1880 and were used from the following year...

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DavidBerlin

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All right. I'm going to poke around some more and do some more research on my own and see what I come up with. Thank you John!
 

DavidBerlin

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maybe an early 19" movement pre-serial numbers and name? Very late 19th or early 20th Century? (Fake? Need to take it to someone who knows Omega watches. Luckily I'm an hour and a half out of New York by train, someone will know.)
 

agemo

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Hi,
Your case 309xxxx was produced between 1902 and 1907, from what I know is that some omega movements were not signed and not numbered, and in my opinion your caliber is a 19''' quality A or B.
You can see on the site of Joêl Duval who was a very knowledgeable collector of unsigned and unnumbered movements.
Ω Omega : Les vieux calibres - HourConquest

I have an Omega chrono which is in the same case, the box is signed but no number no signature on the movement.

Amicalement GG
 
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MrRoundel

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It looks just like the 19 ligne Omegas mentioned above. I have similar early (1897'ish) 18 ligne that only bears the Greek Omega symbol on the balance cock. Nothing on the dial or under it.

I don't see anything that would lead me to believe this is anything but a very nice, medium quality, Omega in an excellent case, with an extra-fine gold dial. Most similar Omegas I've seen are housed in silver or nickel cases. I have never seen a dial like that on any Omega. Congratulations.

Oh, and if that's a Chinese copy I'll eat my watch bench. ;)
 
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From my Omega junk box. Looks like some were signed and some not. Serial number under the dial probably.-Cort

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Skutt50

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I believe you have an early Omega watch.
The balance cock, which is made like a stair, is something I have seen on early Omega movements. (Pre 1900) Sometimes the Omega symbol is found on the balance cock but I can not see it on your movement.

If you plan to service it you may find some markings under the dial. A serial number of the movement (not the case) will tell you roughly when it was made.....
 

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