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  1. Lt. Gordon Larin

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    I am a supervisor with the Ottawa fire department communications centre and we have an old clock that is viewed in a early 1940 picture of our old centre and no one seems to know how old it is. Although it no longer works, the parts are all there and we hope to get it fixed since it is the only piece we have of our history.
    it has markings stating it is a 60 brass bob pendulum and the plates on it have the following information;
    Self-Winding Clock Co.
    - F5931
    -24 VOLT
    -MOVT
    -198502

    None of us are clocks experts although if it catches fire we know what to do so we are asking the experts. Any info would be great for our historical archive
     
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    Hello Gordon Larin.
    There is a Ottawa Chapter of the NAWCC in case you would like to get in touch with them about getting your clock repaired.
    I would like to see this picture of your clock.
    What fire station is this clock at?
    Looking forward to pictures.:):)
     
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    We will take the pic and try to send/ standby
     
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    Gordon if you have lots of problems do this.Send me a pm and i will post your pictures for you.
    To pm me click on my name and a drop down box will open with the option to pm me.
     
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    the clock seems a lot older than the 1940 picture, it could actualy be from the early 1900 or earlier? / anxious to find out/ it stands about 4 feet tall and stopped working about 7 years ago, attempts to fix it resulted in stories of unavalable parts.
     
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    going to need an email to send the attachment, city server giving me issues right now with this site.

    gord
     
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    Gord many clock shops say parts are not available, its a way of saying i am not interested.
    More than likely it can be restored with all parts are with the clock.
     
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    the clock (parts are sitting on the bottom ledge/ locked since it broke
     

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    Pretty sure it could be repaired.
    If interested i will give you a name of someone in our Ottawa Chapter 111, you could contact about getting it fixed.
     
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    hope this helps
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    just posted 2 more pics but they may have landed in an other forum?... blogs are not my forte
     

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    Good pictures, i am not a expert but did New York Standard make clocks like this?
     
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    the tag states "self-winding clock co. New York
     
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    Gordon, I'm going to move your thread up to the electric clocks forum for better exposure.
     
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    appreciate that, doubt the city or the division would pay for repairs but a few of us feel its part of our rich history and contemplating doing it ourselves ....if the cost is feasible and the clock repairable
     
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    Gordon, these are not terribly difficult to repair. Probably shouldn't mention that it has a mercury pendulum, in case health and safety are watching:D.
    Not all clock repairmen are familiar with or competent to repair electrics, so use Kevin's advice, and contact the Ottawa chapter of the NAWCC. They may make it a chapter project to get it running for you. I would guess it's date to the early 1900's.
     
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    Harold is the self winding part of this clock difficult to repair?
    I never have worked on , only seen them.
     
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    It can be difficult if you are unfamiliar with how it functions. Most I see are 3 volts. This one is 24 volts. I think this one is (or was) a master clock, possibly used to sync clocks in all the fire halls in the area. A similar looking clock is shown in Tran Duy Ly's Longcase Clocks and Standing Regulators, from a 1908 catalogue picture.
     
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    Thats encouraging news, I'm off duty now but will check tommorow again.
    Great help folks,
    Looks like someone by the name of 'Georges' from Rideau clock repairs is part of your organisation? / he has contacted one of my crew members about this subject so we will attempt to make those contacts as long as 'business' here permits.

    Anyone living in Ottawa that would want to take a look at it could contact me via my email posted to make arrangements.

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    Glad to hear Georges is helping out, he is a nice man to deal with.:)
     
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    Your station clock is one made by the Self Winding Clock Co. of New York. The movement appears to be one of their common style F type with an attachment that provided for daily synchronization with an outside wire service such as from Western Union. WU hasn't provided time service since the late 1960's.

    I can tell you one feature about your clock that you won't want to hear about. The pendulum bob or weights are filled with mercury. As intact it won't hurt anyone. However, if it is removed from the case, there is opportunity for spillage if mishandled. It is prudent when handling a mercury temperature compensated pendulum of this type to immediately place the pendulum in a five-gallon plastic bucket for handling while it is outside of the clock case.

    The mercury even housed in the case, does emit a small, albeit a miniscule amount of vapor at ordinary temperature so don't live inside the case!

    You would have to scour inside the case for any obvious notes regarding the date of sale, installation or service because no historical serial number reference of the company's clocks exists.

    It is odd that the clock is noted to require 24 volts DC for operation because ninety-nine percent of the SWCC's battery clocks operated from 3 volts derived from two large number six dry cells in series connection. Only some telephone company central office clocks operated from the telephone 24 or 48 volt storage batteries.

    It is quite likely that your clock was powered from a 24 volt DC source that also provided electrical power for a fire alarm system. 'Doubtful that your city still has "pull boxes" on street corners of the type that were once common.

    We would require more clear and close-up photos to determine what has been removed from the timepiece. I can surmise that a well intended servant removed the face in an effort to learn why the hands can't be turned backward. It is obvious from your photo that some parts of the synchronizing mechanism linkage has been removed; perhaps in an attempt to repair the movement.

    Fortunately, there is a plethora of good and accurate service documentation that completely encompasses the style F movement in your clock.

    Don't let the lack of 24 Volts DC stand in the way of getting the clock back in service....a very small, low current plug-type transformer-rectifier such will easily supply the operating voltage which is only needed to maintain the clock's mainspring wound. Normally an internal circuit switches on power to the winding electromagnets hourly for a few seconds.

    That the synchronizing freature is disconnected is of little concern. These clocks and especially one fitted with the mercury compensated pendulum can keep a very accurate rate.

    Again, some close-up photos of the movement and the removed parts will help greatly.
     
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    #21 Lt. Gordon Larin, Apr 17, 2011
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    Outstanding information and I thank you for that/ I will try and post more pictures if that helps.
    We can not solicit assitance so I found the suggestion of this becoming some form of project for a local chapter as very humbling (we are so use to doing benefits for other agencies), i have to admit I was a little taken aback. Having said that, I would never expect such an offer if the cost of parts replacement was inhibitive.

    the issue of the mercury is interesting, and would be worth discussing with our management before we embark on any restoral, that very fact may force us to look at our bytown fire brigade museum as a potential destination if it is determined to be a concern to the health of our crews.
    PS. i will try and post those pictures once the activity in the centre slows down a bit.
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    added pics
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    The clock can be seen mounted on the wall behind the weather monitor
     

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    Thanks Gordon for the pictures of the clock and the centre too.I don,t even know where the comms centre is, lived here many years.
    I believe the mercury could be removed and a safer substitute.It would be too bad to have the clock moved to another place.
     
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    There is no functional substitute for the mercury in the pendulum. These pendulums were very carefully assembled by dedicated craftsmen to exacting standards. Any alteration will drastically affect the accuracy of the clock.

    Do-it-yourself removal of the mercury carries a far worse potential for contamination than just leaving the pendulum alone and let hang undisturbed in the case while the case is securely fastened to the building wall.

    There is no law in the US prohibiting one from having mercury so long as it is contained in its intended vessel. The problems with mercury arise from handling and disposal, not ownership.

    Handling and legal disposal of the mercury after removal can be a very complicated and expensive experience. So long as the pendulum remains in situ no immediate problem exists. However if the clock is to be relocated it has to be done with reasonable care.

    For liability reasons, such as offering a mercury pendulum clock for sale or trade, some owners have had the mercury removed and substituted with lead. Appearance wise it is less than satisfactory when the pendulum jars are glass but examples I have seen are at best amateurish and obvious.

    The above words are my own, the only ones I can rightfully give.
     
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    It may just be a trick of photography, but the two cylinders of the pendulum don't look like they are equal in size.
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    If it came down to getting rid of the clock over the pendulum, I'm sure many collectors would gladly swap your pendulum for a non-mercurial one.
     
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    Wally Clemens, President NAWCC Chapter 111, Ottawa Valley has offered to help with this project and our Division Chief has approved the work. Please feel free to contact Wally for details on the project once it begins,.
    This is truly an amazing story and we thank you all for your interest and help.

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    Glad to hear our Chapter is doing this, it should help the chapter to be more visible to the public.
     
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    #28 Lt. Gordon Larin, Apr 20, 2011
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    why it matters ~

    Since your group has given the handshake, it is worth telling them why all of this matters. ~
    Having been at the 'the helm' of what I like to refer to as 'the mother ship' of Canada's capital city.
    Our centre currently dispatches over 50 fire stations, both urban, suburban, rural plus two contracts with outlying counties.

    'The lore' behind the culture;
    A fire crew (with the rare occasion or running apon an incident) often has a few minutes during the drive to consider what he/she is getting into (based on information processed at the centre)
    The Comms. Centre has less than a minute to answer to the public when an event hits a community and move a massive fleet across a metropolitan city.
    That golden minute to do it... and do it right ! is the backbone of our service and despite improvements in technologie, mobile data terminals, computer aided dispatch & all other sorts of equipment that are to replace human errors hasn't changed 'in time' - that golden minute to get it.. and get it right! has never changed.

    So when our clock stopped 6 or so years ago, some of us with enough grey to claim our own spot on the Pioneer list felt a bit of a void. You see that clock always stood as a silent sentinel to remind us that everytime that phone rings, no matter what time it is, the logistics of the fleet will be altered.

    We offer many specialised technical services from confined space, high angle, hazard material & biological response teams, water-ice rescue, heavy rescue amongts the usual fire prevention, education & active involvment in the countless communities with events.
    When disaster hits without mercy, time stands still ~until the problem is resolved, its something you have to experience to understand & have to spend a career earning.
    Its what we do. * time is everything.

    When your expertise identified that this was the central 'brain' behind our 'helm' since, well.. forever ~ it intrigued many of us.

    It represents to communicators, what a fire truck is to a firefighter, or an old timepiece is to you ~ our own culture we need to teach the new generation, & we know history teaches.

    I salute you all with thanks from the people who are the frontline of any disaster.

    Time is on our side ~ now!

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    Keep us updated Gordon, and let Wally know that if he runs into any problems, we are here to help.
     
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    I am going to contact Wally just to find out a little more about what is going on with this clock.
     
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    With all the technology we use today, to think it all use to be done on the back of a 3 digit signal from city street call boxes and emited to central in a minute (think in 1910 standards?), all powered by this clock ~the work is of a local craftman of the day seems 'edison brilliance' & have some historical value if it was done 'in the day'.

    It may turn out to be a modification done in much later years but I suspect that would not alter the value of 'its creative purpose', since it served for a very long time (pun intended).
    For those who reside in Ottawa, the communications centre use to be located in the market (the round building in the core).

    The mythical 'what it means' posted above is like any lore, you believe what you wish, the reality is... we could never afford the repairs at retail value... lol,
    I'm out ~
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    #32 Lt. Gordon Larin, Apr 21, 2011
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    Wind Talkers

    A different view of our task-

    Perhaps the extra voltage was needed during either of the world wars to suppliment military alerting systems? ~ you never know?
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    My old military brigade ( 1 C.B.G. HQ Signal squadron Cgy. Alta ) best described the task of 'broadcasting' or 'dispatching' as a task for 'wind talkers' in reference to the WWII Navajo code breakers radio operators during the Pacific war ( made famous in a recent movie). Our task in the fire service that my crew delivers is not too far removed in it's ways except.. in its urgency.

    This clock is the centre piece of an unfolding story. **I hope to engage some of the veterans of our centre to find out 'the shield' side of this story. Otherwise I just make up stuff until experts tell me otherwise.
    History has many angles?
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    Gordon there are clock shops who might do this job.But they may charge a lot and they might not do a proper job.There are many horror stories of what happens in these places.I am glad you are getting help from ch 111.
    Many clock shops or repair places do not know how to do repairs and botch the jobs, A nice clock like this deserves a proper restoration.
    Would you be able to post the picture from the 1940,s showing this clock
     
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    The gentleman that has that prized photo is a member of the Bytown Fire Brigade and is apparently having it mounted along with pictures of previous serving members of our centre.
    I'll look into it early next week when back on deck & try and get a scan.

    gl
     
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    I'm starting to feel 'Diefenbaker' about this..'the cold war'
    being the Capital City and the bunker being not so far away... what if this was a backdoor alerting system powered by 'the clock'...lol

    ok, I'm done.
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    Here's a ~NEW clue

    There is a very old wodden calendar in the communications centre, it's function changed by two wooden roll bars controlling the dated paper. It is shaped like a clock & is also visible in that 1940 picture but is obviously much older... picture to come ~ a missing piece of the puzzle since the two combined likely defined the word 'watch desk' in the fire service..?

    Time has always been significant.

    I suspect the piece it is of 'turn of the century' vintage, its parchment paper stained by endless use, because to this day, someone always walks by and changes the date despite all the electronic boards already telling us.
    Thats tradition in a fire house best defined~

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    Atomic time

    I remember a retired Chief telling me that our centre was linked to Boulder Colorado and our system was synchronised to 'Atomic time', not sure how that plays into the story?

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    Gord, the current technology employs radio controlled clocks that lock into a time signal from Boulder Colorado for syncronization.
    Your Self Winding Clock Company clock employed a more primitive, but very effective, method of syncronization. Western Union would send a signal over a telegraph line to sync their clocks to the time at the US Naval Observatory. This was a service that could be subscribed to in any city or town large enough to have a Western Union office.
    If I recall, someone on the MB has been able to use an atomic clock to sync the SW clocks. If I can find the thread, I will link to it for you.
     
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    #39 Lt. Gordon Larin, Apr 22, 2011
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    We have 2 other 'historical' pieces in our posession And I will post the pictures in the album I set up here.
    The 1st is a callendar date piece (mentioned earlier), the next is very old and very heavy encyclopidia that still proclaims Canada as a Dominion, Steam engines as the wave of the future and birds now extinct. / having the crew at comms forward pics to me at home and will post those shortly. The 3 combined are believed to be from the original communications centre of the early 1900's??.. the mystery continues but the clues add up.
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    There is a very old wodden calendar in the communications centre, it's function changed by two wooden roll bars controlling the dated paper. It is shaped like a clock & is also visible in that 1940 picture but is obviously much older... picture to come ~ a missing piece of the puzzle since the two combined likely defined the word 'watch desk' in the fire service..?

    Time has always been significant.

    I suspect the piece it is of 'turn of the century' vintage, its parchment paper stained by endless use, because to this day, someone always walks by and changes the date despite all the electronic boards already telling us.
    Thats tradition in a fire house best defined~

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    UPDATE; 10AM Friday, email from Cassandra Greer of the Ottawa communications centre;

    Hello All:

    Wally Clemens was in today to examine the clock’s condition and to access the repairs that will be needed. He will be bringing over another clock repair man to remove the contents of the clock cabinet and to take only that portion away for repair. The cabinet will stay here and they will fix the electric and non electric components of the clock and then they will bring them back and reinstall them. He has our number and will contact us when it is convenient for him to re visit the clock. I will be paying for the repairs myself as the cost will not be high and the value…priceless!

    I expressed our collective appreciation for his interest and expertise. He has two cousins “on the job” and feels a solidarity to the fire service. I explained to him again the importance and significance of the history of this item. When I initially contacted Wally on Saturday, it seemed too much of a coincidence that the group Gord had been blogging with had a chapter in Ottawa and this is whom I had been corresponding with. The circumstances are amazing and I hope that we can take our own picture soon so that Bernie Matheson can put 70 yrs of history side by side.

    Cassandra G.\
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    Management task; There must be archive records of a date of purchase for that clock, even in the day.. it must of been a considerable budget issue... I'll see if 'experts in that field' can help.
     
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    I just recalled the story about the old encyclopedia.. an elderly lady, having lost her house (I seem to remember Bank St. being mentioned) in the mid-20's, laughed at a fire fighter since it was the only thing salvaged after her house burned down.. she told him to keep it. Maybe Chief R. White will recall the story? (ok, people with connections.. get on it?..lol)
     
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    #42 Lt. Gordon Larin, Apr 22, 2011
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    Now reverse that story; Your an elderly lady in the mid-twenties and everything you own including family airlooms just got lost in a fire, some tall stinky man dressed in yellow rain gear and rubber boots tells you he saved your encyclopedia. It probably stands taller than you in ( '20s granma standards) and outweights you s carying it anywhere is likely not possible.. yep, keep! smoke-eater~ & thanks for the save.
    sorry, a little out of you blog rhealm but the nice thing about archealogy is that you can tell any version until the truth is dug up.

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    the 3rd historical piece -the encyclopedia is dated 1928, pictures will be sent by the crew tommorow. Just a sideline until we get news on the calendar and more importantly.. the now famous clock.
     
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    #44 Lt. Gordon Larin, Apr 25, 2011
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    posted a picture of the clock adjustment wheels and a couple of the old dictionary found in dispatch.
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    Several requests to repost the pictures from the album, non members interested in the projects can't see them. Lets see if this works.
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    I believe you have to be a registered user to see pictures here.It does not take long to do this.
     
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    I'm done with my POSTINGS, would like to keep the blog open so that your members working on the clock can keep everyone informed if thats possible.
    Again, thanks for your most professional approach to the subject in question & helping us identify our own history 'through time'

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    Finaly posting the previously mentioned Ottawa Fire Services communications centre.
    2 of the pictures are reportedly from 1940 showing the call-box monitors & alarm tape recorders all under the watchfull eye of 'the clock'.

    The 3rd picture of early Ottawa Fire service was taken in front of the old #8 hall & displays the OFD Broadcast & Communications building (to the right of the fire station). the 'Comms' held the complete upper floor. / the year of the picture is still being figured out by experts. (ok, maybe not?)

    Noticed the clock was 'naked' today on deck & realised 'your people' have been by ~this has been a great effort by your Ottawa Chapter, hope they can figure out if/when the 24 volt modifications were done, a history page awaits results?? (if they can?)

    Gord L. (posted pics in the album supplied on this site).
     
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    Hello Gordon.I looked on your profile album and no pictures.Also no pictures in this thread.Maybe someone knows where they are?
     
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    I can see them in his album, after clicking on his name, and his public profile, Kevin. Great history, Gordon.
     

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