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Gravity Ravenous

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Hello, everyone!



I'm a grandfather clock-obsessed novice. Since finding a Herschede in a Goodwill for $20 in 2020, I have been obsessed with grandfather clocks. I am a musician and educator and have no background in grandfather clocks, but found that I, somehow, just "get" them. I have been able to get over 20 grandfather clocks working despite zero education... besides that from you fine, fine people.

I have incredible clock luck... most of the clocks I've bought or received that "didn't work" actually DID work, and needed just a few of the simple things you all know they typically need. But occasionally, I have gotten in over my head. Urgos 32596 and its immediate relatives have been... um... thwartatious. ANYWAY.

Recently, I found a sale of a HUGE amount of clock stuff on Facebook Marketplace. Wisely, I only brought enough cash to buy a clock that was different from any clock I had seen of its age. I love German round-tops, and own an ISGUS (which once fell over, completely exploded, but was able to be reassembled, and still worked). The clock on Marketplace caught my eye because it looked like a roundtop, but then, upon examination... didn't. It was weird. So, I bought it.

When I got it home and opened it up, I was shocked and amazed. I'm no horologist... and I've only worked with about 30 clocks overall... but I had never seen what I saw. The movement is... reversed. The strike train is on the chime side, and the chime train is on the strike side! I started scouring the Internet... I couldn't find a single example of this.

And, the case has no markings on it that would indicate what it was (although I thought it was somewhat Enfield-esque). The movement kind of reminds me of Jauch a bit, but is also unmarked. The ONLY marking in ANY of it is the telltale "FOREIGN" stamped on that weirdly-modern dial.

So, I was wondering if anyone has seen a backwards movement like this... and whether anyone has any idea what it is.

The movement is very dirty, and it didn't want to work, at first. I did the ol' pivot scrape and re-oil, which got everything kind of working... but there must be terrible friction in the wheels because they are so dirty. The time train works, but only for a short time. It didn't have the leader or suspension spring, so I improvised with parts from an old Jauch movement that seemed to fit. The pendulum is a bit loose in the leader, but seems to work okay. I suspect that I am finally going to have to take a movement apart and clean it right... which fills me with terror.

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When I got it home and opened it up, I was shocked and amazed. I'm no horologist... and I've only worked with about 30 clocks overall... but I had never seen what I saw. The movement is... reversed. The strike train is on the chime side, and the chime train is on the strike side!
I suppose it all depends on which side you consider to be the 'strike' side and which side you consider to be the for the 'chime'. You don't actually tell us, so it's hard to know what to say.

Not all clocks are the same. I have one westminster chime wall clock which has the the time train winding arbor on the right, the strike arbor in the center and the chime on the left.

JTD
 

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By looking at the second picture it is easy to tell which side the chime train is on. Years ago I had one like yours, it only said it was made in france. No maker name.
 

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A very typical setup for Friedrich Mauthe movements of the 1930's. Your clock's movement model can be seen in this 1930's catalog photo:

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Your clock's case looks English and again fits the 1930's timeframe. Lots of chrome and geometric patterning.
 

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MAUTHE! A HAH! Thank you so much, J.A.! The picture and the info is extremely helpful! I have been scouring the Internet for images, and found one. Entering Mauthe got me another in addition to your photo. Cool! That will help me find the appropriate suspension spring and leader, hopefully!
 

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"thwartacious..."

A delightful word, GR. I'll be adding that little gem to my lexicon.
 
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