has't struck in living memory

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  1. jayartibee

    jayartibee Registered User

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    I have a long case - Mitchell & Russell, Glasgow - which has never struck whilst it's been in my family - 80 or more years I guess. If you turn the barrel by hand it strikes endlessly.

    I am not an expert - where would you start? Pic attached.



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  2. Willie X

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    Well the rack is in a dropped position. Something is stuck or binding somewhere.
    Your clock appears to be way past due for a take apart service. The strike problem could probably be repaired along with the service job and you would be good to go for along run.
    A good straight on close-up photo of the front of your movement might allow for a furthur diagnosis of the sticking point.
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  3. Time After Time

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    If it strikes endlessly when powered, it sounds like something called the Gathering Pallet isn't doing what it is supposed to. That's just a guess. As Willie said, we would need to see more to really have a better idea of what the problem is. A straight on, close up photo of the front of the movement (or video of the movement in action) would be ideal. The hands and dial would have to be carefully removed.
     
  4. novicetimekeeper

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    Does it have smooth barrels for the gut lines? That's very unusual on a British clock.

    British museum say the partnership lasted from 1803-1841
     
  5. RJSoftware

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    80 years is a long long time. Was this intentional as some clocks are left alone after the passing of a family member.

    As to what you should do to start, give us an idea of where you stand mechanically and in most probability we can suggest the appropriate repair book or if you are not inclined then a referral to clock repairman.

    Much can be done with basic hand tools.

    RJ

     
  6. Tinker Dwight

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    There doesn't appear to be anything wound on the drum.
    How many weights are hanging from the clock?
    Picture please.
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    Doesn't seam to be clear on what your power source is. No power no activation.
     
  8. Willie X

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    I think it has been depowered to keep it from striking continuously.
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    Besides the striking issue. . . It's hard to tell from the picture, but it appears that the cable on the time side is frayed; I would expect the weight to snap that cable at some point. Bad news.

    Anyway, I would start by doing a total overhaul of this movement. There's lot of books and resources to do this. If you feel that it's too much of a project, I would have a professional do the work for you.
     
  10. jayartibee

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    Wow - what an amazing forum! I'm used to drongoes on the car forums who can be a little less than helpful sometimes...

    Anyway I like to think I'm mechanically competent but this is a new area for me. I will think about removing the front to take some better pics.

    There is no weight on the strike site and there has never been, certainly in my parents' lifetime. The drums are plain, no grooves. I can see the time side gut needs replacing, yes.

    It is a lovely clock - there is a picture of a carpenter in his workshop on the front and as the clock ticks, he endlessly planes a piece of wood in his vice.
     
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    That would suggest early in the partnership
     
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    -- to be honest, I think the snail is completely missing - which is fairly bad news...
     
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    I'm no clock repairer, but I don't think that's terminal. Why was it removed? It seems an odd way to choose to silence a clock, but combined with not winding the strike side it would work.
     
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    Usually the snail is part of the hour cannon. I see the hour hand...

    How bout a pic with the dial off.
     
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    I think they are usually riveted on, which is why I said it was a strange way to silence a clock.
     
  19. Tinker Dwight

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    On some the rack hook was not to friendly about not having
    the strike run.
    It would make more sense to tie the rack up so it never falls.
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    That's the way I would do it, it seems the easiest thing to do.
     
  21. Tinker Dwight

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    It would still strike once unless the lever was held up
    as well, keeping it in warning.
    Still two pieces of string are better than damaging the clock.
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  22. jayartibee

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    Maybe I'll be brave soon and remove the face for a good inspection.

    This clock has had no attention from anyone, as far as I know, in at least forty years - it is keeping near-perfect time! So you understand I'm sure, my reluctance to disturb things.
     
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    Well, if it's had no attention for 40 years it is certainly in need of a good clean and oil and possible other work - your photo shows the movement is covered in dust.

    And at the moment you only have 'half a clock', if I can put it that way. Time but no strike, even though it was meant to strike.

    Be brave, get it serviced or learn to do it yourself and you will be surprised how much joy your clock will give you in return for some tlc.

    Is what I think.

    JTD
     
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    from your picture, it would seem that the rack has dropped back so far that I doubt the gathering pallet would not touch it. There is usually a pin in the plate which limits how much the rack can drop back, however also I can also see that the rack tail appears to be missing/broken. I think I can see the 1 o'clock drop off of the snail next to where the rack tail appears to be broken. Which would explain why the rack has dropped back in the way it has.
    Where in the UK are you?
     
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