Hampden Railroad Watches

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  1. Tom McIntyre

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    We seem to be having a Hampden fans convention this month.

    I mentioned I was fond of the New York Watch Co in another thread but I think they also made some very good railroad watches.

    I think the two best grades are the 104 and 105 but since the 104 is a 23 jewel watch I picked up a OF and HC version of it.

    Here is the open face with an oversized boss on the jeweled barrel.
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    Here is the rather earlier hunting case.
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  2. luvsthetick

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    "We seem to be having a Hampden fans convention this month" by TM. Hope he is right.

    I'll join this fun. Thought I would do a side by side comparison of the No. 104 and No. 105.

    Interestingly my open face No. 105 is in a Deuber 2-tone case.

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    Here is a watch I don't own anymore(sold it) but it was a beautiful
    looking Hampden RR watch.

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    It's been great to see all the recent discussion of Hampden/New York. A reminder that there is more than Waltham, Hamilton, Illinois and the usual suspects out there to consider.
     
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    Not much of a Hampden guy, but here are two pieces from my PL collection-the first a Springfield "Railway" where someone unfortunately buffed the plates, and the second a two tone "D Star in Flag."

    I didn't appreciate how good of a watch the D Star in Flag was, but Bob Arnold seemed favorably impressed when I showed it to him(missing regulator spring not withstanding).

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    I also love all the Hampden talk!

    First one I showed in another thread..
    Grade 107 d star model 1!


    The next one is arguably rr grade. Actually I'd love someone to argue it because that would mean you know how it's adjusted ... And I don't. But it's 17 jewels 18s adjusted Menlo Park. It's just a nice watch. It's out for repair and ive been crossing my fingers. 1157167 is the serial. Sorry pics aren't that great it was taken with my old phone.

    The grade 35 keywind I showed in the early Hampden thread is supposedly railroad grade too. The databases all say it's adjusted. Once again to what, I haven't a clue. But for 1879-1880 I'm under the impression it would fly.

    I also have a 108 d in flag model 2 but it's not marked adjusted so it doesn't fly, so if looking at a d in flag make sure it says adjusted! I wouldn't call it a mistake, I still think it's a great watch.

    Have a good night!

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  7. Kent

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    Not necessarily so in earlier years. When it first appeared, it was available as a 17 or 23 jewel movement.

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    Here are some other Hampden watches that were accepted into Railroad Time Service.

    For those who may be unaware of the fact, models 4 and 5 grade No, 105 movements are the 'nameless' version of the 21-jewel models 4 and 5 Wm McKinley grade movements. They are identically described and priced (see upper right-hand corner of the 1917 catalog sheet, below).

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    Here are a few more that would pass inspection as a Railroad Watch:

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    #10 vintageguy, Feb 26, 2019
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    I think this one is really cool - 16S John C. Dueber # 2466147.

    I do need to ask about the dial, though. The color of the sunk portion with the signature is lighter in color than the rest of the dial, which indicated to me that the dial may have been repaired. Does anyone know if the dial on this watch should be signed "John C. Dueber"?

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    On a number of Hampden watches the enamel of the seconds bits of the dials have aged to a slightly different color than the other dial parts. This may be attributed to the fact that the seconds bits were created and fired separately from the center and/or hour chapter. However, this is only speculation on my part.

    Regarding the dial signature. I believe that only the earlier 15 and 17 jewel John C. Dueber and John C. Dueber Special grades were fitted with dials having that signature.
     
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    So many great Hampden watches.
    I found this one at an estate sale years ago.

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    I'm glad you posted your watch, luvsthetick. The movement is great. And I notice that your dial is similar to the one on my New Railway, though mine is missing your red numerals for the seconds. It's a slightly strange one, with the tiny second-hand area, not to mention the Roman numerals and 24-hour marks below them. I wondered if this kind of dial might be mean the watches were for the Canadian market. Anybody know if this is true?

    Also, as I said, mine is a New Railway. Anybody know what the grade would be? Or if it even has a grade? In fact, any additional information about my watch would be helpful. The databases estimate it was made in 1901. When I got it, I didn't even know it was designed for the railroad; I just thought the dial was cool. So I was pretty naïve that point in my collecting career. In fact, I just looked at the movement because of this thread and was surprised to find it was a New Railway. Surprised because I just bought one the other day not even knowing had one in my collection! Just call me the proverbial fool who is easily parted from his green stuff. Or was. I'm sadder and wiser now than I was when I bought my FIRST New Railway.

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  14. Kent

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    New Railway was the grade. It varied at times with the Special Railway grade as to which one was at the top of the line.

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    Here are a few more Hampden railroad grade watches:

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    OK, this helps, Kent. Thanks.
     
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    I knew I had a Hampden stashed away somewhere. So here it is.
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    Not that familiar with American watches, so it has just languished in a drawer for years.
     
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    I once had an interesting Hampden pass through my hands. It was a Lafayette Special with a mere 15 jewels. I kind of wish I had been smart enough to keep it. I bought a couple of watches from an older lady who lived down the street from me in the early 2000's. Either that or I sold them for her? I just can't remember which. :confused: It had a very nice dial, as well as a cool train engraved case. I somehow doubt there are a lot of these out there.

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    I ended up with quite a few Hampdens in my collection because there are so many variations in damaskeening, I kept running across new ones I just couldn’t live without.
    Here‘s one I like a lot. It is an early 16s, 17j, tu-tone Special Railway (SR in flag).

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    #20 luvsthetick, Feb 27, 2019
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    I have to agree with Mike's statements in post #20 concerning Hampden's damaskeening.

    Here is a Hampden 3-ball. I bought it for its damaskeening and case.
    Since it rates a line by itself in the fat book, I thought I would give it a post in this thread.

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  21. Kent

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    This is perhaps a good time to bring up the point that; although Dueber-Hampden may have meant for people to make the connection, they have never referred to the 16-size, Nos, 104 and 105 movements (those having the "SR" of "NR" in flags on the movements) by the "Special Railway" or "New Railway" names in any of the literature (catalogs, advertising, etc.) that has come to light to date.

    While I'm at it; although I posted a picture of the 18-size, 21-jewel "Dueber Watch Co." grade movement in my post #9 (above), and although it seems to have the attributes of a Railroad Watch (being lever-set and marked "Adjusted Five Positions" and "Double Roller"), no Dueber-Hampden literature has come to light advertising or referring to it as a railroad watch. Even the 1917 Oskamp-Nolting reproduction of the Dueber-Hampden catalog page in post 15 above has three 18-size movements in the top row (the New Railway, the Special Railway and the John Hancock) below which is written "Above are Railroad Grades". The 18-size, 21-jewel "Dueber Watch Co." grade movement is shown below that in the second row. Thus, the 18-size, 21-jewel "Dueber Watch Co." grade movement may not have been accepted into railroad service on all that many railroads.
     
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    Here's my favorite Hampden, a 23 jewel "Special Railway" beauty I inherited from my grand uncle, who I was named after. It's the watch that got me started in this maddeningly fulfilling hobby! Includes my grand uncle's original fob/chain with compass. SN 1201272

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    Here's another of my favorite Hampdens, I got from a Canadian auction. It's a North American Railway 18S 21J, SN 3154593. They sure made pretty movements!

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    Here's a pair of private label Railway grade 18S 15J Hampdens.

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    Here's a pair of 18S 21J John Hancock grade Hampdens.

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    Here's a 18S 17J New Railway grade Hampden.

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    Here's a 16S 17J Wm McKinley grade Hampden.

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    Here's a 16S 23J grade No. 104 Hampden.

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  29. Kent

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    Stan:

    You've put up pictures of some nice railroad watches!

    However, by the time that the Wm McKinley grade was introduced (late 1902), and especially when the model 5 showed up years later, railroads were no longer permitting watches only adjusted to temperature (which the 17-jewel Wm McKinley was) to enter service.
     
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    17 jewel John C. Dueber from about 1889.
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    Oh, I like that one, Mr. Magner. Kind of a vanity project, but very nice.
     
  32. Kent

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    David:

    I love the watch, but it probably dates to no earlier than the Fall of 1891.

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    Kent,
    That's great. I appreciate you posting that dated notice from Hampden.
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    Kent said:

    >> You've put up pictures of some nice railroad watches!

    Thanks. That's all the Hampdens I own. I haven't had much money for watch collecting and Hampdens tend to be cheaper than other makers. (Confession <hangs head>: I have been collecting other art in addition to watches. <realizes this admission is blasphemy>)

    >> However, by the time that the Wm McKinley grade was introduced (late 1902), and especially when the model 5 showed up years later, railroads were no longer permitting watches only adjusted to temperature (which the 17-jewel Wm McKinley was) to enter service.

    I stand corrected. Thanks for the information.
     
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    Hard to photograph this colorful one in original Hampden glass back case. Maybe a sales demonstrater. artbissell.

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    Art, that's probably one of my favorite dials of all time. Also Hampden had a great
    nickel finish on their watches.

    Keith R...

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    Comment appreciated. Bill Tapp was owner and probably its only servicer. He may have added the demo case, although I saw old advertizing sales of it with movements. artb
     
  38. Greg Frauenhoff

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    Back to Hampden railroad watches.

    The famous 15 jewel Railway, which began with New York and was continued by Hampden, was made almost exclusively with nickel plates. But there were a few of them made in gilt as well. I discovered one example after Hernick & Arnold published their terrific Hampden book so this rare variant didn't make it into their publication. And I don't have a pic of the mvt (that I can find anyway). Based on info in one of J. C. Perry's memo books the gilt Railway was sold for a short period in early 1888 (see below, original in my collection).

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    Here is my Canadian Pacific Hampden.

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    There's allot of Canton going on in this thread, just wanted to spread around a little Springfield. Here's a few from the past year while learning about Hampden grades.
    The Perry has some scratches, but I learned allot from it. He's also in that "grey area" serial number range that I enjoy. It still needs a good servicing. It is slow train, just like my early model 2 J.C. Perry.

    The Woolworth model two runs like a new watch, it's been completely serviced with a new mainspring. It makes it out of the house pretty often. Hard to beat a good 15 jewel adjusted Gilt workhorse.

    This railway is just beautiful.. I can't take a picture well enough to truly show it off. I'd love to think it's original to that case, and I haven't proven its not yet. Really pretty Dueber "Anchor and serpent" case. Unusual for me to spend money on a nice g.f. case, but it was worth it.

    Ran across this thread and just hoping to stir up some more involvement from all you great collectors. Always a good topic to learn about.

    Have a good day!

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    Thanks Miguel

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    Jeepers, I'd completely forgotten that I've got a couple of Hampden railroad grade watches queued up awaiting servicing . Both watches are fully functional but were last serviced probably decades ago, so I don't want to run them pending being overhauled.

    Today I'm posting my 16-size Grade 105 with 21 jewels, complete with its yellowed plastic crystal:

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    The "Fully Insured" 25-year yellow gold-filled case by The Mutual Watch Case Co. is interesting, can't say I know anything about it.

    I can make out the name "J. Stone" on the case back. However the initials below that name are indecipherable to me & I don't know whether they were those of another owner or perhaps signified an organization or some designation or other. Learned &/or best guesses welcomed!

    I'll post my other RRG Hampden subsequently.
     
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    Here's my 18-size Hampden "John C. Dueber Special" of railroad grade, with an interesting mix of fonts on its dial, & sporting 17 jewels in its full plate movement ~

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    Judging from the amount of brassing on the case, this watch wasn't acquired for "show and tell" rather, it was actively carried.

    Not only is the "Special" designation displayed on the dial, but it's repeated twice more on the movement itself. I'm sure that that designation had some significance albeit unknown to me.
     
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    I think the difference between the John C Dueber, and the John C Dueber Special is the finish of everything.

    I just read another catalog listing on page 39 of the Hampden blue book from M.C. Eppenstein 1890-95.

    The Gilt trim, double sunk dial, moon hands, extra engraving and damaskeen, these seem to be the "special" part.

    Don't forget the "Hampden back action mainspring". Still haven't figured that one out.. haha.
     
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    Thanks Rick for this info.

    I see that the Special version of the John C. Dueber is said to have an "adjusted compensation balance" & that the movement is "Specially guaranteed to be the best time-keeper in the world for the price, and superior to any other full plate watch made outside the Dueber-Hampden factories."

    The non-special version is said to have a compensation balance adjusted to heat and cold.

    I suspect that the Special version might have been adjusted to more positions &/or to tighter specs.
     
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    What are the thoughts on a 18s 23j Special Railway that is not two tone?
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    Hi does anyone know the part number for the hampden grade 105 balance staff.ive done some searching but can’t seem to find. There are Afew different part numbers on eBay. Kind regards lee.
     
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    Two of the nicest Hampdens missing in all the postings is the model 5 New Railway 21j and the model 5 23j Special Railway with the sun-ray dmk effect. Was lucky enough to pick up a 16s 21j model 4 McKinley hunter with the serial number 1,580,003 and also picked up a 16s 21j Ohioan hunter where most Ohioans are OF and the OF tend not to show up all that often either. Some very nice watches posted.
     

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