Hammer arrangement?

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  1. tracerjack

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    The auction is long over, so now I can post my question. I almost bid on this HAC. The case was beautiful, and the dial marked with the crossed arrows. But, the movement wasn't, and that along with the hammer arrangement held me back. At first I thought it wasn't an original movement, what with the dimpled plates like a Hermle, no crossed arrows, and the extra clips around the barrel arbors, plus that strange hammer arrangement. But, after searching around, I became convinced the movement was a more modern HAC movement despite the lack of their logo. However, the hammer arrangement is something I have never seen, and I couldn't find another like it in all my searching. With no access to the original photos, I made a crude outline drawing that shows the arrangement. The hour hammer seems to be curved around and under the Westminster ones in order to reach the proper chime rod, but I couldn't tell for sure from the dark photo. There was five rods, so I'm assuming that's where the fifth hammer is. Hoping someone has seen this before so that next time I come across a beautiful HAC case with a movement like this, I can bid with some confidence.
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    With enough views and no replies, I’m going to assume no one has seen a hammer arrangement like this with the hammers turned back on themselves. Even though the hammer wires were cleanly bent, it just looked “wrong” to me, so I’m going with my gut feeling. In this instance, I’m viewing no replies as my answer.
     
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    looks wrong... why not just use shorter straighter lengths to accomplish the same thing more directly?
     
  4. chimeclockfan

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    Typical setup for HAC brand clocks that went to the British trade, the curly hammers giving a lighter sound and helped to keep space restrictions down with the small cases. The same movements came with a few different hammer configurations and rod lengths, all sounding different from one another. Rods are not in sequential order for the hour strike pickup - it is 3-4-2-1 with 1 being the longest rod.
     
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    I don't remember seeing this before, but I'm impressed with the hand drawing.

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    i saw a similar drawing at a band meeting recently...

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    Now that's museum quality right there! :confused:
     
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    didn't mean to take away from tracerjack's artistic abilities...

    that's a (famous in some circles) sketch of a proposed set piece for the band in 'spinal tap'... a spot-on parody of being rock musicians.

    the movie is a fake documentary ('mockumentary') about a band of not-the-sharpest-tools-in-the-shed heavy metal musicians attempting a comeback after little to no success since original 'hits' decades ago. they're in a restaurant trying to come up with a gimmick for the new tour, and someone suggests stonehenge. the lead guitar player sketches a prop, but mistakenly uses the inches mark (") instead of feet ('). because of delays in production, they don't see the final result until it's lowered onto stage in their big comeback performance... perhaps less impressive than originally hoped for. :cool:

    This Is Spinal Tap - Wikipedia

    while perhaps not to everyone's taste, every professional musician in the world saw reflections of themselves... and especially how (over)serious we can get in the process.

    we now resume our regularly scheduled programming.
     
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    Ha! I'm not a big movie buff, but reading your description made me laugh.

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    every musician who saw that movies laughed at how brilliantly the parodied all of us... and cringed. :cool:
     
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    Thanks for the info, chimeclockfan. Then, the hammer arrangement is original to the clock case I saw, which did have limited space, but I’m with Bruce. Very strange looking. I wonder how well they worked that way? The original clock auctioned for far more than I could pay, but given another chance, I could bid with more confidence. Plus, I thought This is Spinal Tap was great.
     
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    The hammers worked fine but you get a lighter, quieter chime compared to the movements with Junghans' regular mallet hammers. These clocks were really made by Junghans during the 1930's but sold under the HAC name for regional brand familiarity - the HAC name, movement patterns, and trademark stuck around long after the actual company got absorbed by Junghans. HAC pre-Junghans did not actually make many chime movements besides the famous 3/4 Westminsters.

    While it's not entirely indicative of how it will sound in person (it's always better), here's a nice video of a dual chime clock with the curly hammers:

     
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    Thanks for posting the video. Interesting to see how the hammers moved. For me, they still have an odd look, but since they are hidden from view and work, that’s a moot point. Thanks to all others who responded as well.
     

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