Hamilton Production Timelines

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  1. Kevin Neathery

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    Just thought this was interesting. A 952 that I just got in hand came with the tin the movement was being stored in. Under the sticker was the following etched into the top by hand on etched lines.

    #6
    18s 925 SER
    #606801
    PLATE DEPT 5-23-08
    PRODUCT 9-28-08
    SOLD 10-31-08
    FULL PLATE MOVT
    17 JEWELS
    DONATED BY
    SERVICE OFFICE
    10-19-32
    FREY

    I did locate the ledger entry for this watch.

    https://nawcc.org/images/stories/Hamilton/LedgerPages/600001-700000/606801-606851A.pdf

    So at some point the watch made its way back to the factory. What I find interesting is the timeline.

    Plate Dept 5-23-08 then Product 9-28-08 Finished (ledger) 9-29-08 Sold 10-31-08. I guess it comes down to what the PLATE department was. Them taking finished plates from the dept and between 5-23 and 9-28 they assembled and timed it? So just a little over 4 months from plates to ready to go.
     
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    I believe that all the plates had their engravingsc(serial #, Hamilton Watch Co., etc) on them but were "in the grey" meaning no damaskeening applied. When finished, depending on a regular finish(each grade had it's own design) or if a special order, large agents had their own DMK patterns, and then it went to finishing.
     
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    Kevin,

    I suspect that the plates were stamped and serialized in May, but then went into inventory for the 4 month's until they were required for an assembly order. Once assembled, the movement would have went into inventory again, until required for an actual customer order.

    From the ledgers, this specific movement appears to have had a "special finish" (designated by the "S" after the date sold). This "special finish" could have been a special damascening pattern, private label markings or a combination of both. It was Hamilton's practice to hold back the first few (~10) movements from each block of 100 for these type of orders.

    The reason it came back is (and probably will remain) a mystery.

    Rhett
     
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    Can we see the tin? I love History
     
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    Absolutely. It was fun getting the light to hit it the right way to read it. The other piece was what the movement was held in.

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    I'll bet it was hard to read :)
     
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    Kevin, I am confused, in post # 1 you list 2 different watches, a 952 and a 925 ?
     
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    There is a thread for the 952 converted from a 952P to a 952L. This was a movement that was stored in the Hamilton vault and was sold at auction a few years back. The movement was housed in this tin. So the tin must have just been one they had sitting around and they decided to use it. The sticker I removed was marked as seen in the last pic #955 and hand written 952. I don't believe the sticker was contemporary with the movement as it was a printed (laser or xerographic) sticker. I did take a picture though to maintain information on the watch. So the tin originally went to a 925 but was later used for the 952. Kind of ironic that they used a tin that you only had to reverse the last 2 numbers to get the grade they were putting in it.
     
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    Kevin, is the inner part of the tin 16 or 18 size? From the winding slot to the lever slot in appears to be 16 size and should fit a 16 size snugly.
     
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    The inner part is for a 16s.
     

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