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"Made Special for Loggers" I don't know what that means but it is too cool! -Cort
Cort,

At the time the watch was made, the Pacific Northwest was full of "logging camps" for the lumber industry. Given the location on the dial, I suspect this watch was made to appeal to individuals working in these camps ( i.e. Loggers ).
 

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Cort,

At the time the watch was made, the Pacific Northwest was full of "logging camps" for the lumber industry. Given the location on the dial, I suspect this watch was made to appeal to individuals working in these camps ( i.e. Loggers ).
Yes, I figured that much. A great uncle of mine was VP of Tacoma Lumber back then. Its just that the phrase seems to imply more. If it said "special for jackhammerers" I would expect to find some extreme anti-shock device. Its just a marketing device I know, albeit an unusual one. The dial really helps to put the story together. -Cort
 

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I agree it's a cool PL.


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Dave,
Cool watch and everyone would think Tiffany of NY. I have some 18s that I will check the ledger for and see if it is the same person.
 

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Thanks Art,
For those of us who find it hard to enlarge or see, a dial pic would be nice to see if it matches the plate., a name & city & Ledger info of whom it was sold to.,
 

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M990 from October 1909 - C. H. Vernooy of Watkins Glen, NY - Jeweler and Optometrist

Fred H. was kind enough to send this: "This particular serial number, 706722, is listed as an October 27th, 1909 sale to C.H. Ver Nooy of Watkins, NY and is in fact the only watch of the 100 serial numbers on that ledger page to go to Ver Nooy. So this private label marked dial is absolutely and unquestionably correct and original to this specific movement."
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Mr. Charles H. VerNooy has the most number of newspaper clippings (100+) I have ever found on a jeweler, although almost nothing of his business. Active in the community, officer in the Rotary, Chamber of Commerce, I.O.O.F. (Odd Fellows), Optometric Society, Baptist Church and more.
Born April 1872 in Elmira, NY, moved to Watkins Glen in 1896, apprenticed under A. H. Cowing a jeweler there, became a optometrist from a school in NYC, married 1900, started his own business in 1903.
His store was damaged by a multi-building fire in 1929 and again in the great flood of July 1935. As was the practice of the day, his trips, speeches given, meetings with visitors of note would be chronicled in the paper, along with 3 thefts of note of his store. He sold it in 1935 to Peter Katral of Bath due to health issues, would winter in St. Petersburg, FL, he was driven home in an ambulance before dying in May 1940 back in Watkins Glen.

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these are going cheaply these days... why? just let this one go... 1350 grade 933 for M. C. Connor, Burlington, iowa
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Jeff,
Thank You, I appreciate you listing it. Yes, I also think it was a great price $330. I have several in my collection I paid 3 times that for so I am trying average out my cost.;):D

It it would had the matching dial it may have brought about $500-600.
 

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924 166521 "Made Expressly for Jaccards Kansas City".

According to the ledgers 166521 was finished 10/05/1907 and sold 10/16/1907 to the Jaccard's Jewelry Co.
Kansas City. The OF Dueber Sterling case, though nice, is not original. After cleaning and a new spring the watch loses about 15 sec. per day.

D.C. Jaccard founded the first store after the civil war and later known as Mermod and Jaccard. He opened the second store at Kansas City in 1888 where both his sons worked their way up to president there.

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A Hamilton 18s 924 model 1 marked Roosevelt ser. no. 518015 sold to A. Hirsch and Co. September 1909. Hirsch also had 924's made up with the name Washington also.
This watch was in tough shape when purchased but, but it was inexpensive and the back of the movement looked clean so I bought it. The plastic crystal had a hole by the lever and when I removed the dial I saw the top of the main plate was filled with saw dust but luckily it never got into the works so they were relatively clean.
The watch cleaned up well and with a new MS keeps pretty good time.

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Very nice to see you have 2 of the 3, Hirsch also had a Lincoln.

See posts 204,218 &302
Jim,

Thanks for the information Jim. For some reason I've heard of "Washinton and Roosevelt" but not a "Lincoln" Hamillton! ("illinois 18 and 16s yes and I even have a nice small 12s ILL. Lincoln). And they also don't seem to show up in NAWCC's Hamilton digital ledgers nor does the name "Roosevelt" show up in the hand written ledgers for mine.
That being said even from the first 17j 924 (98001) to the last (1450500) there are nuggets to be found outside of P/L's, "Expressly for", "Unions", "Union Specials" (in it's many variations), and GT's, etc. . There is the 17j marked "17 Jewels" (Lft. side of barrel bridge). Then there is the "17 Jewels" and "924" (marked on the rt. side of barrel bridge) starting in 1912. And lastly (what I call the a fully marked 924) "17jewels" on the left side of the barrel bridge "924" stamped on the right and "Made in the USA." circling the left barrel bridge screw which shows up in the last run. The 924 was made to replace the 930 and kept the same damaskeeing pattern from 98000 to somewhere between 120340 and 120529 when the familiar pattern was introduced.

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Serial # 914883 Grade 926 with gilt trim. Private Label for Anna L. Siliveira, 72 Jackson St. San Francisco, Cal.

I have seen several of these over the years and Rhett has one in this thread, but everything I ran across was Hair-lined or something else. so I went for this example because it is Flawless and the case is Mint.

From J&H auction, from my late friend, Bob Bennett. It still has his hand written tag on it, says Mint Condition dial $900

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Jim,

Nice watch! A short google search brought up a few of her P/L's at online and the information below.

Anna L. Silveira (c.1869 - 1931) was of Portuguese descent. She was a distinguished jeweler and owner of "Silveira's Jewelry Palace" on 76 Jackson Street, in San Francisco. Watches bearing her name are rare, but often highly decorative. There is a perhaps apocryphal story that on the second floor she kept a brothel and that the watches were sold or given to special patrons as Christmas gifts.

And an ad for her store showing a picture of Ms Silveira.

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Thank You for the extra effort on doing the research, this makes these watches that much more special.

You can tell from these dials that it was a special effort to order something, almost unique, and the extra effort with the fancy dials and address etc, show that she was a "Saleswoman" for sure
 
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Hi Phil,

I would also like to extend my welcome to the NAWCC forum. Nice looking PL.

Rob
 

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924 100638 18s (1899) Henry J. Howe Syracuse NY

This is an early 924 and retains the same damaskeening of the grade 930, which it replaced in 1899. 100638 was sold Dec. 12, 1899 to jeweler Henry J. Howe who ran a large business out of his own H.J. Howe building in Syracuse NY, which still stands today. Howe's name appears on the SS dial while "Central City Syracuse N.Y." (Syracuse's nickname is Central City) is engraved on the barrel bridge.

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Views of Howe's bldg., store show room, early Syracuse seal, and information on Howe.

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The 930 damaskeening was retained until the fourth run of the 924 between serial numbers 120340 (old 930 dmsk) and 120529 when the new 924 dmsk is observed, a range of 189 movements.
 

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Nice Paul I'm always on the lookout for NY private labels and have seen
a bunch from Syracuse and almost bought a few. My brother lives there.



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Nice Paul I'm always on the lookout for NY private labels and have seen
a bunch from Syracuse and almost bought a few. My brother lives there.
Thanks Rob. I live in MA and so far only have one from my state, from a jeweler in Danvers MA. I'm always looking for for more and now have at least one PL from each New England state with the remainder scattered around the lower 48 states; most are Hamiltons.
 
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I would like to add this nice Hamilton Gentleman's watch from the great State of New York. I
did a best offer on this one and was pleasantly surprised.

This watch was finished on July 24th 1903 and sold September 17th 1903


18s Jos. Welt, Buffalo, NY Adjusted 17j grade 926 serial number 256406
(adjusted only to temperature and not to position)
The 926(not this one in particular) was "known to have been used on electric street and
interurban railways where adjustment to positions was not always required"
Larry Treiman NAWCC "BULLETIN" of February 1978, Whole Number 192, Vol. XX, No. 1, pp. 2-19.)


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Here is Jos. Welt, Buffalo, NY as a Practical Watch Maker, Jewelry, and watch repairing....
from Johnsons_Business_and_Professional_Directory(google books)
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My serial number 256406 being sold to King Raichle, & King Buffalo
This is a small portion of page 196 of the Hamilton Ledgers at the NAWCC

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Just as an aside here is King Raichle going bankrupt
The Jewelers' Circular, Volume 77, Issue 2 1918(google books)
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PS Buffalo, NY is home to the Famous Buffalo Chicken Wings
best wings around.



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Serial Number 48715, a Private Label for H. A. Bromberg, Battle Creek, Mich.. It was sold to him on 6-30-1899. It most likely had a matching Dial originally.

I don't know what to think about the 940 marking ? ? ?

At first I thought it was very early, however in going over the ledgers it is the 511th 940 produced.

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927 33537 18s PL J.F. Sullivan Hurley Wisconsin 17j

This 927 was fin. 3/10/98 and sold 11/12/98 to jeweler John F. Sullivan, Hurley, Wis. Couldn't find much about Mr. Sullivan outside of a mention in one Jeweler's Circular and listings in period business directories up to 1921. Purchased as a movement a couple of years ago. Dial probably a replacement. Placed for now in an OF nickel Illinois W. C. Co. swing out case in great condition.

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A 16s, 17J, grade 974, in a Scepter Case (presumably by SWCC), made for C.R. Smith & Son, Philadelphia (marked on dial and movement). SN 859629. It went to finishing Dec. 12, 1911
Nice 974 Steve. The 974 and 956 were my first two Hamilton pocket watch purchases and the second and third pocket watches when I started collecting. I was impressed how well they were put together and kept good time.
 
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So, I just acquired the watch related contents of a jewelry store that supposedly went out of business in the 1960's. From the contents, it seems to be the firm of O. M. Nelson & Son of Madison, Wisconsin. Sadly, what I bought seems to be the results of depression-era scrapping as it is just pocket watch movements, case springs, crowns and a few other odds and ends. (A reminder that scrapping isn't new.) Anyway, the predecessor firm seems to have been Nelson & Smith. (Olaf M. Nelson and Hiram C. Smith, 112 E. Main St.) That's the subject of this posting - a 931 for Nelson & Smith, serial number 3603, which was found among the wreckage. A photo of the store from the 1940's can be found here: Nelson's Jewelry Store Interior | Photograph | Wisconsin Historical Society

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Another most unusual P/L dial for L.D. Merrill, Sparta, Wis. This is the 3rd one we have in this thread see Post 174 & 290 and this one.

These dials were so unusual because of the use of the initials as a Logo, instead of the usual Hamilton policy of using the name in script.






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I found this on google,

The L.D. Merrill Jewelry Store established itself at this address as early as 1875, but operated in an earlier building than the one that stands there today. That building was either destroyed or razed in 1897. In 1897, L.D. Merrill had the present-day structure built which he continued to use as his jewelry store until circa 1911. In 1911, the Citizen's State Bank was located here which circa 1920-1925 turned into the Farmer's National Bank. From 1916 to at least 1931, this building was used as a bank. The Farmer's National Bank was probably here until 1969, when the Farmers National Bank merged with Monroe County Cank to become the Union Natonal Bank and Trust Co.

The L.D. Merrill Jewelry Store building gains local historical significance under Criterion A as an example of the general mercantile businesses common in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. As indicated within the Commercial Theme, these enterprises (hardware stores, jewelry stores, etc,.) played a central role in the growth and stability of the community's business. The period of historical significance for this building extends from 1897 to perhaps as late as 1916. In addition, the building gains local historical significance under criterion A in association with Sparta's banking topic under Sparta's Commercial Theme. The period of historical significance for this building extends from 1916 to after World War II.

This two-story, three-bay brick commercial building features a metal front with a small band of half-windows on the second story of the facade. A contemporary metal and glass storefront with an off-set entrance with a transom window and a sidelight on the south bay and an entrance door to the upper story on the north bay is located on the lower story of the facade.

This small commercial building, originally exhibiting a vernacular brick form characterized by a corbeled brick cornice with a small pediment and white stone lintels, has been altered completely by the addition of the metal front. In addition, it has been altered by the replacement of its historic storefront with contemporary storefront.

Constructed in 1897, this small commercial block, 70 ft. x 26 ft., was built for L.D. Merrill. It was built at the same time as the adjacent Millegan building at 116 South Water (MP35/3). Merrill also acted as his own construction contractor. Originally used to house Merrill's jewelry store, this brick block replaced a frame building previously on the site, which had served as Merrill's jewelry store since around 1880. Merrill rented office space on the second floor of his new brick block to Drs. Millegan and Williams
 

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If this was the one on Ebay recently I wanted it too.;)


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