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neighmond

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N. P. Nelson is the boss' great grandfather-if anyone has one that may come up for grabs I'd be glad to know about it!

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Question; did all PL's have matching dial to movement?
The answer is no. However, most probably did. We can't really know about any particular watch. However, with all that said, the dial on this watch seems period correct so it is certainly possible that this dial was sold with this watch.

There are all sorts of possibilities from:
1) The watch came from Hamilton with this dial
2) The watch came from Hamilton with a PL dial but the customer wanted a Hamilton dial so the jeweler switched it for him
3) At some point after the watch was purchased with a PL dial the owner decided to have the dial replaced for whatever reason
4) At some point in its history, for whatever reason, the PL dial was replaced with a period correct dial on purpose or by dumb luck.
 

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did all PL's have matching dial to movement?
There are many PL Elgins that the dial is signed, and the movement is
not. I have seen far too many examples in all sizes to know Elgin
sometimes did not mark the movement. As far as Hamilton PL's
which was your question, John's answer above is spot on. :)

Rob
 
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Allan Wolff

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Paxton's Hamilton - 18 size, grade 936.
This one is marked on the dial only. I have seen photos of other Hamilton watches with Paxton markings on the movement, but I have not been able to acquire one yet.
The Paxton family owned several jewelry stores in Northwest Iowa, specifically in Storm Lake and Sac City. My grandfather was a watchmaker for Paxton's in Storm Lake in the 1950's and 1960's; that's him on the right. This watch has 14 service marks on the case, but I cannot attribute any to him. I would like to think he worked on it though.
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925 143167 18s marked Buffalo only on the barrel bridge, and sold August 22, 1901to the Vander Vort Bros. jewelers of, Buffalo N.Y.

This was a "movement only" purchase (bought late December 2021) as the watch had been broken up to the usual, hands, dial, movement, and, case for separate sale. I didn't see any Vander Vort Bros. dial associated with 18s movements on auction, and the dial, hands, and case came from on hand spares. I used a Hamilton salesman's display case for casing the watch, which was probably how the Vandervoort's showed their customers the 925 back in 1901.

The movement is in great condition and my replacement dial has a repair on the outer edge at the lever which is pretty much hidden with the bezel on. I also forgot to replace the mismatched screw on the barrel bridge.

I didn't find too much about the Vandervoorts online outside of some mentions in the Jewelers circular and their name being in records of a suit in 1901 against the Watch Trust for rigging pricing and locking out jewelers from purchasing.





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Paul

You have done the right thing by that interesting Hamilton private label movement. You have incorporated it into a most acceptable timepiece, once more.

Whilst I certainly do not approve of breaking down watches for the separate sale of components, we all know that it happens. I freely admit to buying loose movements and to experiencing considerable creative enjoyment whilst reinstating them as watches. The end products are not "original" but they can be highly attractive, items to treasured - used and enjoyed.

I think many of us who appreciate these artefacts experience an urge to save worthy examples. Putting loose components correctly together involves the specialised knowledge that we share with each other.

Keep up the good work!

JBS
 

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Thanks John.

For me the most important thing of any watch I buy is the movement and it's ability to be a practical timekeeper, still keeping decent (at least as good as the hour and minute on my cell phone) time. Most of the watch movements I pick up still have dials, and hands, but that's changing fast, so I still keep trying to add dials, hands, and cases (to my spares Bull Pen) so that I can still cobble a decent watch movement from the online PW scrap yards. Generally I look for 17j and up movements from the mid 1890's to the end of the pocket watch post WWII where well over 95% of my collection lay
I will say, one watch that I never buy as a movement only are Illinois, as their sold separate dials don't seem to be nearly as common as the other U.S. major producers, and sometimes exceed the price of the associated movement as compared to Elgin, Waltham, and even Hamilton "Railroad Special" dials.
 
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Hamilton 18s, OF 15j 928 18171(#18171). Finished 1/21/96 sold 5/23/96 to jeweler A.L. Bonewell Creston OH. Dial marked with name only. Movement marked with name, town and state.

The balance bridge on the early 928/929s had the simple Bosley regulator and bridge and they were soon replaced with with the familiar Goldthwaite type indicator, but lacking the machining for the micro adjustment parts, so it was essentially a simple Bosely.


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Is a movement marked special with a dial that says Hamilton special, considered private label or is this a company watch….
 

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I wish I could take better pictures Because this movement is so clean and shiny.
 

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A 926 Serial # 547340, This watch has what is know to Hamilton Collectors as the Luckenback Pattern, a very impressive DMK that Hamilton assigned to him.
The Dial is just signed "Hamilton Special", The Plate is signed in nice flowing Script "Hamilton Watch Co." "Lancaster, Pa.",nothing like the regular Hamilton marked Company watches.

Ledgers say it was sold John Luckenback, Los Angles,Ca. on 7-2-1907 Noted with (G. T. Fin) meaning the plates components are finished in Gilt colored screw heads and regulator parts. He ordered 25 that day.

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A very early 974,Detent Stem Serial # 56003 sold to D.C. Percival, Boston, a large volume Hamilton dealer,on 11-1-1899.

The DS RM dial is signed Parazina, Standard Time and the plate is signed William B. Parazina, Railway Time.

Kind of humorous today knowing that the 974 was not accepted on Railroads because it was Pendant set and Adjusted to Temp & 3 positions..............;)

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In need of some work, but here's a 926 for the Plaut-Cadden Company of Norwich, Conn. Sold to them February 19, 1900. Per the ad, it seems they were more of a furniture company, but sold other items, as well. There's a small ad for a 17 jewel Illinois watch in the lower right corner. (Seems like you need to open the ad in a separate browser window or the bottom of the image gets cut off.)

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Jim Haney

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Dave,
I am glad you found the ad, I think I see several watches advertised in boxes towards the bottom of it, but it gives the watch a provenience,. Send me a PM about the regulator parts, etc
 

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