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  1. James J Nicholson

    James J Nicholson Registered User

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    hi everyone, just got word my Hamilton 942 21J Model 1 18S needs a new balance that my watchmaker is unable to locate.
    The serial #979011. Would anyone know where I can get one and what the part number is. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks, James
     
  2. musicguy

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    Moving question to watch repair


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    I wonder what is up with the old one, must be in a pretty sad state to completely needing a new one, have you photos of the old one and what did the watchmaker say is wrong with it?
     
  4. musicguy

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    I agree, post some photos.


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  5. James J Nicholson

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    Hi Rob, I do have pics in my Aug 21,2019 post. this is the watch with the Montgomery dial and the wrong hands. It was an A.N Anderson watch towards the end of the run S/N 979011. It will only keep very accurate time in vertical position from the timer test graphs my watchmaker showed me. He stated there were many repairs to the staff and it needed to be replaced and he could not find one. I saw staffs in the Otto Frei webpage but not sure which to order. HELP please!
     
  6. Dave Coatsworth

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    Hi James,
    If the staff is the problem, that is the only component that should be replaced. Replacing a complete balance because of a bad staff is poor practice. Staffs for this model are readily available. Complete balances must be cannibalized from another movement.
     
  7. musicguy

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    Said in a very nice way, maybe he isn't the right watchmaker for this watch.
    Maybe his expertise isn't vintage American watches.
    But since we don't have the watch in hand it's hard to really say what the
    problem is or question your watchmaker but it does not sound right.

    Re post the photos in this thread





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    I also would add beside cannibalizing another watch for the balance, you are ruining the value of your watch by placing an non-serialized wheel in it that doesn't belong.

    They have the serial numbers scratched on the undersides of the balance arms.
     
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  9. James J Nicholson

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    20200115_182343.jpg 20200115_182343.jpg 20200115_182410.jpg 20200115_182434.jpg Here are the pictures of my 942 Hamilton
     
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    The correct staff for your watch is the #126. This staff comes in both a 'large collet' and a 'small collet' flavor, so that needs to be specified when ordering. As I said before, these staffs are readily available.
     
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    The watch appears to be running fine? Maybe you need a another opinion on the repairs. No competent watchmaker would recommend replacing the complete balance wheel unless it was trashed and bent, and missing all of the screws, and way beyond repair. ?
     
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    Thanks to all that replied. The watch is keeping really accurate time in a 24hr period in straight up position. I was able to contact my watchmaker seems to be a misunderstanding on my part, he did say balance staff and gave a very descriptive explanation of how the balance works which went way over my level of understanding. Whew, crisis averted, now on to ordering the part. Should I order any other related parts just in case? Thanks, James
     
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    #14 musicguy, Jan 16, 2020
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    You should not be ordering parts for your watchmaker(in my opinion)
    they should measure(or determine) the correct one and order it themselves.
    Especially because this is something you are not familiar with.
    Some of them(watchmakers) will even have some of them in
    their inventory.



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  15. James J Nicholson

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    Rob, I do agree with you about the parts ordering but here is my problem, the watchmaker is 83 years old, only works on Wednesday and Thursday and has celebrity clients and Sotheby's in Manhattan NY that he deals with that take priority. I've sent him about 20 watches and this is the only one that had a glitch .I have no issue with ordering parts or even buying two different balance staffs if it will get the job done. Unfortunately my watchmaker is the only game in town and in high demand.
     
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    Wow, from Windsor Terrace, my wife lived just down the block I'll have to ask her if she knows this guy. Small world and a great story.
     

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