Hamilton 22 with Great Provenance

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  1. George

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    #1 George, Oct 2, 2014
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    I have recently acquired a lovely, going Chronometer watch, a Hamilton 22 that has come from an important American Schooner, the "Gertrude L Thebaud". I have a couple of questions that someone may be able to answer from my piece that I wish to share with you. Can the date when the watch was used on the schooner be established? and how often were these lovely pieces serviced - yearly?
    I would appreciate answers should anyone know.
    The following is what I have found about the Schooner which gives it it's marvelous provenance.
    Gertrude L Thebaud raced agains Bluenose in 1930 for the Lipton Cup and won 2 of the 5 races.
    She was also used for a meeting of the US President and the King and Queen of England and during the 2nd World War was used as a submarine spotter.
    I also have a commemorative plate ( Gertrude L Thebaud was built in Essex, Masachusetts, with the hope of bringing the International Fishermen's Cup back to Gloucester. Yachtlike in design and built with racing in mind, this last of a long line of fishing schooners was launched March 17, 1930. The Thebaud was well-known as a fishing vessel, a racing ship and a floating ambassador that championed the plight of the fishing industry) together with two medallions struck for the Schooner. Pictured is it's Rate Certificate.
    I could write pages about this but really it's all about the Chronometer and Gertrude L Thebaud.
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  2. Robert Sweet

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    #2 Robert Sweet, Oct 2, 2014
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    According to a Hamilton Service Bulletin, the Model 22, should be serviced (cleaned/Oiled) annually. I believe it will be difficult to determine when your chronometer was used aboard the schooner. If it of any help, Hamilton sold your chronometer to Kelvin & Wilfred O. White & Co. Aug. 5, 1946.

    The chronometer No. on the rate certificate that your posted does not agree with your chronometer serial number, 2F27120.

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    it looks like they used the number on the 'case' or 'tub' for the timing certificate
     
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    #4 Robert Sweet, Oct 3, 2014
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    Terry,

    You are probably correct. If George can verify that 12640 is marked on the case or tub, or elsewhere, then the date, Oct. 14, 1946 on the "Rate Certificate" would indicate when this chronometer was used on-board the "Gertrude L Thebaud". The Oct. 14, 1946 date is only 90 days after Hamilton sold the Chronometer to the Kelvin & Wilfred O. White & Co.

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    think in second image, but i can't enlarge it enough for the reflections without downloading on system.
     
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    Terry,

    You are correct. It's the 12640 recorded on the "Rate Cert." I'm curious if this is a Hamilton number or a Kelvin & Wilfred O. White & Co. Asset number?

    At any rate, the "Rate Cert." would indicate that the chronometer was first placed on the "Gertrude L Thebaud" after being purchased from Hamilton, IMHO.

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    #7 Rhett Lucke, Oct 3, 2014
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    The Hamilton Factory Ledgers, available online to NAWCC members, seems to line up with the subject Chronometer and Timing Certificate. The ledgers show this M22 as being shipped to Kelvin & Wilfrid O. White & Co. on 8/5/46 which is just a couple of month's prior to the date on George's timing certificate.

    Seems strange that Kelvin & .....Co., would document the certificate against a number on the tub versus the movements serial number.


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    Rhett,

    I agree, not having the movement serial number on Cert. is what was confusing to me. I believe any reputable watch/clock service person would use the movement serial number. The movement could be easily be placed in another tub.

    Is the physical location of the word "Hamilton" and "12640" on the tub, standard for the Model 22?

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    Thank you Gentlemen for your input, I can confirm that the brass tub has engraved on its side HAMILTON, then under that 12640.
    The movement has the serial number of 2F27120. I can also say it is keeping remakeable time, seconds per day.
    I feel now that this piece would be one of the last used on Getrude as its life was only a few more years.,and it certainly did not see life on board during its War operations.
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    For the record, below are the Model 22 production totals from Hamilton records for the following years:

    1) Dec. 31, 1948 - 28,127
    2) Dec. 31, 1950 - 28,372
    3) Dec. 27, 1954 - 28,675
    4) Dec. 27, 1955 - 28,730
    5) Dec. 31, 1956 - 28,773
    6) Dec. 31, 1957 - 28,845

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    Even Steven... or near abouts.
     
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    Robert,

    To be honest, I never paid attention to what might be stamped on the sides of these tubs. Will have to check when I get a chance.

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    Thanks,

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