Hamilton 2-Tone grades 940 & 941

[Fred Hansen]

I am interested in studying the 2-tone gold and nickel damaskeened Hamilton grades 940 and 941.

There are two different 2-tone patterns that I have seen most often on the 940 and 941, but other different patterns also exist. Information on any of these watches is much appreciated and photos of any of the other different patterns would be terrific.

I will start this thread with pics of the two "main" patterns, and then will leave the next post as a place for photos of any different 2-tone patterns to be added later. The next post here will then be an ongoing database of movement information by serial number, and this will be expanded as data comes in.

Information I would like to add to this database is serial number, which type of 2-tone pattern the watch has, and the presence of any unusual or private-label movement markings. I think these are the basics that would be needed for the purpose of this thread, but of course any other info about the watch is also welcome.

Thanks!

Fred

 

[Fred Hansen]

Serial #436352, for purposes of this thread I will call this pattern "Type 1" ...

 

[Fred Hansen]

Serial #515692, for purposes of this thread I will call this pattern "Type 2" ...

 

[Fred Hansen]

(space reserved for future photos of different 2-tone patterns)

 

[Fred Hansen]

Re: Hamilton 2-Tone grades 940 & 941

Photo courtesy of member Ralph Porter, 2-tone checkerboard pattern on a 940 movement that is marked "Adjusted 5 Positions for Railroad Service". For purposes of this thread I will call this pattern "Type 3" ...



(space in this post will also be used for photos of other different 2-tone patterns as these are available)

Fred

 

[Fred Hansen]

Re: Hamilton 2-Tone grades 940 & 941

Movement database ...

Type 1
43886 - 941, private label marked for J.C. Anderson & Co., Telluride Colo.
111604 - 941, private label marked for J.C. Anderson & Co., Telluride Colo.
161521 - 941
206243 - 940
208975 - 940
226015 - 940
226422 - 940
235398 - 941
246461 - 940
411066 - 940
413409 - 940
413443 - 940
413459 - 940, signed "Special"
413496 - 940
419042 - 941, signed "Special"
419045 - 941, signed "Special"
436045 - 940
436135 - 940
436177 - 940
436185 - 940
436226 - 940
436352 - 940
441507 - 940, signed "Special"
441528 - 940, signed "Special"
473008 - 940, signed "Special"
473020 - 940, signed "Special"
510585 - 940
525404 - 940
525475 - 940
541052 - 940

Type 2
401750 - 940
417064 - 940, signed "Extra"
419089 - 941, signed "Extra"
432529 - 940
432534 - 940
432606 - 940, private label marked for John Hood, Santa Rosa Cal.
436291 - 940
500442 - 940
515692 - 940
539302 - 940, private label marked ""Made Especially for C.W. Ernsting by Hamilton Watch Co."

Type 3
988522 - 940, marked "Adjusted 5 Positions for Railroad Service"

 

[Kent]

525404 - Type 1

 

[Fred Hansen]

Thanks Kent and I've added the number above.

Fred

 

[Woolshire]

Both Type 1 and 940's:

411066
510585

 

[crsides]

type I 208975
type I SPECIAL 441528

 

[Fred Hansen]

Thanks for the new numbers! I came across a pair of others also and have updated the list above.

Fred

 

[Kent]

Fred:

Thanks for getting these out in the open!

If you're going to add more serial numbers to the above list, please use a different color or something so that us older types with memory problems can tell which ones are the new additions.

Thanks again,

 

[Jim Haney]

Fred,
This is a good thread. For some of the examples you are looking for see this link. I tried to do this type of thread on Web Horology.

Click Herehttps://mb.nawcc.org/https://mb.nawcc.org/http://whmb.webhorology.com/showthread.php?t=11838

If you need pictures of these I can post them.

 

[Fred Hansen]

Thanks Jim! That is a terrific thread on Web Horology and I will have to add a few photos of some private-labels to that thread. I picked out 4 serial numbers of 2-tones from that thread and will get those added here with the next update.

Fred

 

[Tom McIntyre]

Thanks Jim! That is a terrific thread on Web Horology and I will have to add a few photos of some private-labels to that thread. I picked out 4 serial numbers of 2-tones from that thread and will get those added here with the next update.

Fred

It seems like one must be registered on webhorology to see the pictures.

 

[kirxklox]

That is tough. I have had to practically shut down Web Horology because of Abuse of The Membership Roster and The Membership Intellectual Property. Seems some do not respect others efforts to provide services for the public.

Maybe if the NAWCC would become a Family Friendly Environment we could all enjoy our HOBBY.

I don't own that material! The members do!

 

[Fred Hansen]

Kent -

Including Jim's watches I've added 9 serial numbers to the list today and have sent the details on these as a private-message to you through this board. I'll make a habit of sending these by PM any time I update in the future.

Fred

 

[kirxklox]

Tom McIntyre: I am trying to Cascade Membership privileges.

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Web Horology Message Board is about Public Education. Many MEMBERS never ever post anything and get the same privileges as a Long time Active USER. That is going to change. It is easy to register.

The Largest Privately Owned Horological Web System in the WORLD!

MOST HOROLOGIST may join for FREE.

"Beware of DOG, He Can BE Real Mean."

 

[Greg Frauenhoff]

Fred,

Terrific thread, but is there any chance that it can be expanded to include other 18s two-tone Hamiltons?

Greg (who doesn't have a TT 940 or 941...boo hoo)

 

[Fred Hansen]

Hi Greg -

I think I'd like to keep the focus of this one narrow to just the 940 and 941 but no reason not to start another thread (or threads). I could see focusing it on just a few specific grades and having as many threads as needed, or perhaps having one thread for 18 size grades other than the 940/941.

What do you think?

Some past info you'll remember on this board on other 18s 2-tone Hamiltons is in these threads ...

http://www.nawcc-mb.com/bbv2/bbBoard.cgi?a=viewthread;fid=3;gtid=219778;gpid=219778#gpid219778

http://www.nawcc-mb.com/bbv2/bbBoard.cgi?a=viewthread;fid=3;gtid=45511;pagenumber=1

Fred

p.s. If you want to send along that nice 2-tone 937 private-label to the Aurora IL jeweler I'd be happy to find you one of these 940 2-tone in return ...

 

[Greg Frauenhoff]

Fred,

Works for me. I'll start a thread for the "other" 18s two-tone Hamiltons.

Cheers,

Greg

 

[Fred Hansen]

Grade 940 serial #541052 is shown in the April 2001 bulletin (page 224) and has the type 1 pattern.

Fred

 

[Bryan Eyring]

Gr940, SN413496, Type 1 TT

Regards,
Bryan Eyring
132532

 

[Fred Hansen]

Thanks Bryan, I've added that one along with a few others today and now have a total of 35 watches recorded in the list at the first page of this thread.

Any other 2-tone 940's or 941's out there to report?

Fred

 

[Fred Hansen]

Thanks to member Ralph Porter the photos and info of another 2-tone pattern has been added to the data at the start of this thread. It is a 2-tone checkerboard damaskeen on a movement marked "Adjusted 5 Positions For Railroad Service", and the thread discussing this terrific watch is here ...

Hamilton - 18 size For Railroad Service

Fred

 

[Fred Hansen]

Re: Hamilton 2-Tone grades 940 & 941

Another 2-tone 940 recently passed through eBay, type 2 pattern and serial 401750.

Fred

 

[Fred Hansen]

Re: Hamilton 2-Tone grades 940 & 941

Serial #541059 with a "type 1" pattern ...

 

[terofpa]

Re: Hamilton 2-Tone grades 940 & 941

940
#413445

 

[HenryB]

Re: Hamilton 2-Tone grades 940 & 941

Reference: Halligan scan - grade 940-page 1, as posted on this website on 10-20-09 by Don Dahlberg:

A question I have on the 940 is:
Page 1 scan:

"1906-526201-Rutter blank - (referring to the metal stock used)"

Anyone have any idea what this is ?

Obviously 940's are very pretty. Curious if this "metal stock" is what made them pretty ?


I posted this question here, which was the best thread I could find on the Hamilton 940's. No problem at all if it is moved later to another thread for consolidation purposes.

 

[SLUFDRIVER]

Re: Hamilton 2-Tone grades 940 & 941

type 1 - 246473 Posted for sale on eBay. 940

 

[Fred Hansen]

Re: Hamilton 2-Tone grades 940 & 941



419048 - 941 Special (pictured, listed in ledger as sale to "Non-Retailing Co." on 05/22/06 )

233419 - 941 Special (identical to pictured except not marked 941, listed in ledger as sale to "Non-Retailing Co." on 11/04/05)

 

[crsides]

Re: Hamilton 2-Tone grades 940 & 941

Fred

Two more to add

413451 type 1

525314 special type 1


Charlie

 

[Fred Hansen]

I'm still interested in data on two-tone 940 and 941 movements, here's an updated list of observed examples of the main two damaskeen variants ...

940 Type 1 Damaskeen
206243
208951
208965
208975
208997
226015
226233
226422
246461
246473
246484
276939
411066
413409
413443
413445
413451
413459 (marked "Special")
413496
436045
436135
436177
436179
436185
436226
436352
436381
441507 (marked "Special")
441528 (marked "Special")
441544 (marked "Special")
463885 (marked "Special")
463933
473008 (marked "Special")
473020 (marked "Special")
510347 (marked "Special")
510356 (marked "Special")
510585
525314 (marked "Special")
525404
525475
525489
541011 (marked "Special")
541052
541059
590308 (marked "Special" at less common position at right side of barrel bridge)
590324 (marked "Special" at less common position at right side of barrel bridge)


940 Type 2 Damaskeen
401701 (marked "Extra")
401711 (marked "Extra")
401724 (marked "Extra")
401750
417020 (marked "Extra")
417031 (marked "Extra")
417045 (marked "Extra")
417064 (marked "Extra")
432529
432534
432554
432606 (private label marked for John Hood, Santa Rosa Cal.)
436283
436291
463506 (private label marked "Gravatt & Co., Hanford, Cal.")
500442
515692
538014 (marked "Extra")
539302 (private label marked ""Made Especially for C.W. Ernsting by Hamilton Watch Co.")
574782

941 Type 1 Damaskeen
43886 (private label marked for J.C. Anderson & Co., Telluride Colo.)
111604 (private label marked for J.C. Anderson & Co., Telluride Colo.)
161521
205595
233419 (marked "Special")
235398
273404
277618
419025 (marked "Special")
419042 (marked "Special")
419045 (marked "Special")
419048 (marked "Special")

941 Type 2 Damaskeen
419089 (marked "Extra")

 

[Jim Haney]

Fred,
Thank you for keeping this thread current.. I have 5 that are already on the list, but I did find 4 others.

A 941 with a very different pattern, Burlington Special, sold to Eisenstadt Mfg. Co.11-19-1901,#127901

 

[Jim Haney]

This is a 941 2-Tone Serial number 235396

 

[Jim Haney]

A 940 serial number 436045 regular 2-Tone Type 1

 

[Jim Haney]

A 940 2 -Tone serial number 436287 Type 2

 

[Joe Blossic]

I'm still interested in data on two-tone 940 and 941 movements, here's an updated list of observed examples of the main two damaskeen variants ...

Hi Fred, I am either not finding 436058 on this thread or I bought this from your evil twin

 

[Fred Hansen]

Hi Fred, I am either not finding 436058 on this thread or I bought this from your evil twin

Yikes! I should at least remember the ones I owned!!

Updated list ...

940 Type 1 Damaskeen
206243
208951
208965
208975
208997
226015
226233
226422
246461
246473
246484
276939
411066
413409
413443
413445
413451
413459 (marked "Special")
413496
436045
436058
436135
436177
436179
436185
436226
436352
436381
441507 (marked "Special")
441528 (marked "Special")
441544 (marked "Special")
463885 (marked "Special")
463933
473008 (marked "Special")
473020 (marked "Special")
510347 (marked "Special")
510356 (marked "Special")
510585
525314 (marked "Special")
525404
525475
525489
541011 (marked "Special")
541052
541059
590308 (marked "Special" at less common position at right side of barrel bridge)
590324 (marked "Special" at less common position at right side of barrel bridge)


940 Type 2 Damaskeen
401701 (marked "Extra")
401711 (marked "Extra")
401724 (marked "Extra")
401750
417020 (marked "Extra")
417031 (marked "Extra")
417045 (marked "Extra")
417064 (marked "Extra")
432529
432534
432554
432606 (private label marked for John Hood, Santa Rosa Cal.)
436283
436287
436291
463506 (private label marked "Gravatt & Co., Hanford, Cal.")
500442
515692
538014 (marked "Extra")
539302 (private label marked ""Made Especially for C.W. Ernsting by Hamilton Watch Co.")
574782

941 Type 1 Damaskeen
43886 (private label marked for J.C. Anderson & Co., Telluride Colo.)
111604 (private label marked for J.C. Anderson & Co., Telluride Colo.)
161521
205595
233419 (marked "Special")
235396
235398
273404
277618
419025 (marked "Special")
419042 (marked "Special")
419045 (marked "Special")
419048 (marked "Special")

941 Type 2 Damaskeen
419089 (marked "Extra")

 

[Fred Hansen]

A few recent sightings added, new additions in bold ...

940 Type 1 Damaskeen
206243
208951
208965
208975
208997
226015
226233
226422
226431
246461
246473
246484
276939
276993
411066
413409
413443
413445
413451
413459 (marked "Special")
413496
436038
436045
436058
436135
436177
436179
436185
436226
436352
436381
441507 (marked "Special")
441528 (marked "Special")
441544 (marked "Special")
463807 (marked "Special")
463885 (marked "Special")
463933
473008 (marked "Special")
473020 (marked "Special")
510347 (marked "Special")
510356 (marked "Special")
510585
525314 (marked "Special")
525404
525475
525489
541011 (marked "Special")
541052
541059
590308 (marked "Special" at less common position at right side of barrel bridge)
590324 (marked "Special" at less common position at right side of barrel bridge)


940 Type 2 Damaskeen
401701 (marked "Extra")
401711 (marked "Extra")
401724 (marked "Extra")
401750
417020 (marked "Extra")
417031 (marked "Extra")
417045 (marked "Extra")
417064 (marked "Extra")
432529
432534
432554
432606 (private label marked for John Hood, Santa Rosa Cal.)
436283
436287
436291
463506 (private label marked "Gravatt & Co., Hanford, Cal.")
500442
515692
538014 (marked "Extra")
539302 (private label marked ""Made Especially for C.W. Ernsting by Hamilton Watch Co.")
574782

941 Type 1 Damaskeen
43886 (private label marked for J.C. Anderson & Co., Telluride Colo.)
111604 (private label marked for J.C. Anderson & Co., Telluride Colo.)
161521
205595
233419 (marked "Special")
235396
235398
273404
277618
419025 (marked "Special")
419042 (marked "Special")
419045 (marked "Special")
419048 (marked "Special")

941 Type 2 Damaskeen
419089 (marked "Extra")

 

[Yellowtail420]

940 Type 2 Marked "Extra"
Serial #499249

 

[Paul Sullivan]

940 436381 18s Sp. Fin. mvmnt. Type - 1.

Movement only. Need balance staff, MS, case and service.

 

[Paul Sullivan]

940 436381 18s Sp. Fin. mvmnt. Type - 1.

Movement only. Need balance staff, MS, case and service.

View attachment 676860 View attachment 676861

940 436381 18s Sp. Fin. mvmnt. Type - 1.

Purchased as movement only. Needs new balance staff, MS, case and service.

View attachment 676860 View attachment 676861
[/QUOTE]

 

[darrahg]

Fred, so soon you forget. I bought this from you in 2017
PL Henn & Haynes
940 Special type 1 TT
525317

 

[butlercreek]

I have a question, what’s the difference if any between a private label marked special and a Hamilton marked special?

 

[Jim Haney]

None that I am aware of, They both are SPECIAL.. :

 

[Paul Sullivan]

As Enid Strict would say:

 

[Mike M.]

I didn't see 57478... looks like I'm last on the type 2 for now.

 

[Fred Hansen]

Thanks all, those above and other new additions in bold ...

940 Type 1 Damaskeen
206243
208951
208965
208975
208997
226015
226233
226422
226431
246461
246473
246484
276919 (marked “Special”)
276939
276993
411066
413409
413443
413445
413451
413459 (marked "Special")
413496
436038
436045
436058
436135
436177
436179
436185
436226
436352
436381
441505 (marked “Special”)
441507 (marked "Special")
441528 (marked "Special")
441544 (marked "Special")
463807 (marked "Special")
463885 (marked "Special")
463933
473008 (marked "Special")
473020 (marked "Special")
510347 (marked "Special")
510356 (marked "Special")
510585
525314 (marked "Special")
525317 (marked "Special," “Henn & Haynes, Special” marked dial)
525404
525475
525489
541011 (marked "Special")
541052
541059
590308 (marked "Special" at less common position at right side of barrel bridge)
590324 (marked "Special" at less common position at right side of barrel bridge)


940 Type 2 Damaskeen
401701 (marked "Extra")
401711 (marked "Extra")
401724 (marked "Extra")
401750
410918
417020 (marked "Extra")
417031 (marked "Extra")
417045 (marked "Extra")
417064 (marked "Extra")
432529
432534
432554
432606 (private label marked for John Hood, Santa Rosa Cal.)
436283
436287
436291
463506 (private label marked "Gravatt & Co., Hanford, Cal.")
499249 (marked “Extra”)
500442
515692
538014 (marked "Extra")
539302 (private label marked ""Made Especially for C.W. Ernsting by Hamilton Watch Co.")
574782
574789
648819

941 Type 1 Damaskeen
43886 (private label marked for J.C. Anderson & Co., Telluride Colo.)
111604 (private label marked for J.C. Anderson & Co., Telluride Colo.)
161521
205595
233419 (marked "Special")
235396
235398
273404
273599 (marked “Special”)
277618
277674 (marked "Special")
419025 (marked "Special")
419042 (marked "Special")
419045 (marked "Special")
419048 (marked "Special")

941 Type 2 Damaskeen
419089 (marked "Extra")