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  1. Page29

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    Sooth, here is the picture with the door shut. The sticker on the glass was on it when I purchased it at an estate sale last fall. The owner had about 130 clocks sold that day but I could only get 5 of them.
    DSCN1123(2).jpg I had removed the pendulum for this picture so I could lay it on the floor for better lighting. Thanks for the information. Jim
     
  2. Nanu

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    Hello everyone,

    I recently find who build my pendulum, Hamburg American Clocks, I inherit this watch from my father, and my father from his father, I guess was a gift from my grabdfather wedding :) ,
    I find some interesting information here, but I hope someone can help me find more about my watch.
    Below I upload some fotos of my watch, its a Nr 405 model, if someone here can tell me more about the years when this model was made, anything you know and want to share with me its much appreciate.
    I hope Is a right tread to post this request.

    Thank you.

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  3. Sooth

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    Nanu, I don't have an exact date for your clock, but most of these are called "Box Regulators" and most were made between around 1910 and 1940. Hopefully someone can give you a much closer date, but the clock is definitely in this range. The clock is German made, and looks to be in very good condition. It may need cleaning, however, since the pivot holes show signs of dirt buildup.
     
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    The four rod bim-bam strike was called the Parzival-Gong in HAC literature. Those numerals and hands would place it within the 1920's range, not long before Junghans took over HAC around 1930.

    The Gong-Controlle stamp refers to the gong rod block - the mounting screws could be tightened or loosened slightly to adjust the volume. The hammers would then be adjusted to suit if one wanted a quieter or louder sound.
     
  5. Nanu

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    Thank you very much Sooth, any info is much appreciate, the clock is in my possession since 2013, when my father give it to me, until then he was the one who clean it, greased..., now he can't do it anymore, so I must find a good watchmaker to help me with this job :).
    it is in very good condition, working very well and accurate, and in my house I'm the only one who enjoy the bim-bam sounds :)).
     
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    very interesting, I didn't know that, I will try to see how to make it sound a little quieter :)
     
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    Hello! Can anyone say anything about this model HAC. Can anyone tell me what year it was made.
     

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    Hamburg American Clocks - Ferris Wheel Clock (Atlas)

    I always liked the HAC clocks and have had a few of them go though my collection. Here is one I decided to keep.....for now. It needed a good cleaning, and the pivots that the Ferris Wheel turn on need to be ultra polished for it to run well.
    Grant
     

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    Re: Hamburg American Clocks - Ferris Wheel Clock (Atlas)

    Very nice Grant! I have not seen that one before.
     
  10. time is money

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    I just purchased an old HAC (Ham -HUM-Berg , American Clock Co.) small one day mantle clock. Got it on E-Bay for 19.00........When I received it I found that someone had plastered the entire case with brown latex paint! The movement was ,actually, pretty good ,and took some minor maintenance..BUT THE CASE!!! UUGH... So ,at a loss and not wishing to completely strip it this is what I did after hot water and ammonia cleaning off of the brown laytex. (under neath the brown was a blue oil base ,perhaps buttermilk paint--I should have taken better before photos but I will show th stock e-bay photo that i saw when I purchased it. I mixed a base coat in light blue and then faux mabre' -marbled it using Golden Artist color Williamsburg Oils....Could find no reference pics so I did what I did! ( and the little portrait in the bob was just a magazine clipping-The nearest I could guess on the age of the clock was from 1891-1905..Double arrow logo on the back of the movement. The case has a # on it . It is #1147A. It has a nice intact "Wertemburg" label inside the case.. Hac clock.JPG sasha-pups-clocks 3-4-15 015.JPG
     
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    Can anyone suggest how this looked the clock? 18372659.jpg 18372660.jpg 18372661.jpg 18372662.jpg 18372663.jpg 18372664.jpg 18372665.jpg 18372668.jpg 18372670.jpg Case.jpg
     
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    I just got this small mantel clock, I could not find any reference.
    Can anyone help identify it?

    Thanks,
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    This is a Junghans clock, I will move the question to the right thread.

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    I am trying to identify this HAC clock; it has a label with the model No. 7161 or 7164.
    Can you help identify and possible date it?

    Thanks,
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  15. MikeBY

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    Greetings.
    I just bought this HAC at an Estate sale along with a few other clocks. No markings other than the cross arrows on the dial and the movement. If someone knows the model/age that would be fantastic.
    Clock runs and strikes, which is a surprise because I was told it was in storage for the last 20-30 years or so. Obviously needs service before letting it run though.
    Here's a couple of pics. Other than making a new foot, or two (one of the rears was previously replaced as well), it needs the dial plate is missing the front glass and rim that holds it. Hinge is there, but unfortunately the piece was not to be found. Any idea where to find parts such as that? Or is it going to stay just like it is? It's a 6" diameter.
    Thanks in advance!

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  16. Sooth

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    New brass bezels are available from all the usual clock parts dealers, either with or without glass installed (convex or flat).
     
  17. MikeBY

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    Thanks,
    I wasn't sure if they would work without replacing the entire assembly. Also don't know if this clock originally had flat or convex glass. I'd like to keep it as original as possible under the circumstance.
     
  18. Sooth

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    Probably convex, especially given the rather "fancier than normal" style. The new bezels will not be quite as well made as an old one, but it's an option if you don't want to spend months scavenging eBay for one. The bezel hinge on this particular clock may have been soldered onto the rear of the dial ring. If that's the case, you'll need to take the dial apart, unsolder the existing hinge, and solder the new one in place. Most bezels are simply screwed to the wood case front, with the dial over the top (like on most American clocks) but I think yours is held in place from the interior of the case, with the bezel attached to the pan, which makes things much more difficult.
     
  19. MikeBY

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    From the inside, I can see that the hinge is in fact soldered to the back of the dial ring. The dial ring attaches to the case via brass straps. Looks like the dial pan is also attached to the dial ring via a continuous flange. I agree, much more difficult than most, especially with the need to control the heat. Still trying to date/ID this clock. Whatever labels that might have been inside the door are long gone. I found a penciled '763' on the bottom of the door. That's it.
     
  20. gintarasb64

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    I just got this nice Westminster HAU clock. The chiming sound is very nice. It would be very interesting to get more details about this clock.

    Best regards
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    Dear Community!

    I've just got my first HAC clock! I'm very-very interested in it's age aprox. and if it has a model name, what is it?
    Sadly it has a few bark beetle holes on the casing, but nothing serious. On the top of the crown, the 2 small dolls were replaced by the seller that I bought from. The clock is working, and it has it's original key.

    If someone would be so kind to help me identify it's age, I would be very happy!
    All helps and answers are well appreciated then! :)



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  22. DavidPL

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    Hello!
    I'm looking for information about my clock. I do not know about the clocks - so every piece of information is valuable to me.
    I think this is a HAC clock produced for Alpina :???:
    3610 is the production date (October 1936 ?? ) or model number or .... ??
    Thanks in advance for any information.

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  23. Sooth

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    David,

    Your clock is definitely an HAC product (Crossed arrows). It's fairly Art Deco inspired so 1936 makes sense. I'm not sure if there are any old catalogues that might have model numbers, but if there are, they may be hard to find.
     
  24. chimeclockfan

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    If it was made in 1936 then this was after the Junghans takeover, so not necessarily a "true" HAC in the eyes of some. Junghans continued use of the HAC crossed arrows brand well into the 1950s. It boils down to if one wants to refer to the clock by its brand (HAC) or its actual maker (Junghans). This style of clock was popular before and after the second world war. A simple but nice clock - the bim-bam half hour strike should sound pleasant.
     
  25. Ganov6

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    Hello,

    I recently bought my first clock and it happens to be a HAC. Could you tell me anything about it? Number on the back says 702. By the way I paid roughly 45$ for it, worth it or not (I'm just curious about it)?

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  26. William Wilson

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    #326 William Wilson, Jun 19, 2017
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    I just finished cleaning this one up and I'm really pleased with the way it turned out! Any pointers on figuring out the age of it?

    Thanks in advance,
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  27. Sooth

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    Looks great. I would suspect 1930s.
     
  28. William Wilson

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    Sooth, thanks for the quick response. I thought that HAC merged with Junghans in 1930? This one looks like it's pure HAC...

    Will
     
  29. Steven Thornberry

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    #329 Steven Thornberry, Jun 20, 2017
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    The No. 367 does appear in the 1928 HAC catalogue.

    Egad, I forgot the picture, courtesy of Vic Tang.


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  30. William Wilson

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    Very cool! Except for the Arabic numerals on the dial, that's it. I wonder if the Roman numeral dial was an option?

    Such a beautiful clock :)
     
  31. chimeclockfan

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    The roman numeral dials would have been an option even though it is not listed on that particular catalog page. Other features such as the case's wood, hands, chime melodies besides Westminster, and pendulum glass frames were often optional with these clocks. I find the HAC clocks to be very well made and elegant. :thumb:
     
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    Thanks to Steven Thornberry for the identification, I apparently have a Hamburg American Joker 149 from 1935.
     
  33. Zec Richardson

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    I have just purchased an wall clock and have just discovered that it is an HAC

    I am having trouble finding one the same to get any info, the ones I see with the same case have numbered dials where as mine has roman numerals.

    As well as the crossed arrows, it is also stamped with 102/26 with 385 underneath that.

    I would appreciate any info or advice that can be given
    Thank you

    On the rear of the case a label says No 740 313583.jpg 313584.jpg 313585.jpg 313586.jpg 313587.jpg 313588.jpg 313589.jpg
     
  34. Steven Thornberry

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    No. 740 is the model "name." The style suggests the 1920's to 1930's. Several similar models appear in the 1928 catalogue, not the 740, however. The gong base looks like HAC's Bassgong, which sounded a rich, deep ton on a single gong wire. The "102/26" indicates the beats per minute and number of escape wheel teeth, respectively. The "385" would be the pendulum length in mm.
     
  35. Zec Richardson

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    Thank you Steven
    Yes it does have a very deep tone and that is what I love about it.
    It all seems to be in good order except for the minute hand that has play of about a few minutes, I am no expert, I am totally clueless but I think its the domed brass washer that has a pin to hold it in place instead of a nut, maybe the washer has flattened slightly?
     
  36. Steven Thornberry

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    That's possible, I suppose. Another possibility is that the mounting hole in the minute hand has widened a bit over the years. Whatever the cause, the play in the minute hand is one reason we sometimes see a stack of brass washers holding on the minute hand. You could, I guess, try a flat washer under the domed washer to see if that reduces the play a bit. However, the small amount of extra thickness from the washers may necessitate using a slightly small tapered pin for a good fit. In any event, some play in the minute hand is not unusual in these older clocks; if it doesn't bother you, or if it is not too floppy, I would just leave it as is for the time being.
     
  37. Zec Richardson

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    Ah yes, I guess that is the answer, all those years of adjusting the time by using the hand.
    Would it be a sin to somehow attach the hand to the washer?
    Although I just enjoy the sound of the clock and it's not like I need to the minute precision.

    Thank you Steven
     
  38. Steven Thornberry

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    Not a sin, but I don't see why it would be necessary or desirable. Some clocks later came with attached adjustable washers on the minute hand, but this clock did not have such.
     
  39. Zec Richardson

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    Thank you for all your help, most appreciated.
     
  40. Zec Richardson

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    So I took the minute hand off today and the rectangular cut out where the hand fits is indeed worn or stretched.
    I have looked and cant find a minute hand like it online and so I made some thin shims and that has corrected the problem.
     
  41. mauleg

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    Today, I received the small (7.5" diameter case) octagonal wall clock pictured below. I bought it because I don't often see them with a striker and the price was right. There's no maker's name and no marks that I recognize; given the aging on the case and the paper dial and the construction, I'd place it between 1900-1920. If anyone knows who the manufacturer is, I'd be interested to know.

    The first 3 images are "before" servicing; the last 4 are "after"; someone did a "duncan swish" at some point in the dim past, as it was completely coated with sticky ancient oil and the debris said oil attracted. Of course, I had to do the complete service in one session... It's a great little clock with a half hour and full hour strike and it keeps excellent time straight out of service with the regulator set in the middle. On to the pictures:

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  42. Burkhard Rasch

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    crossed arrows are the trade mark of Hamburg-American Clockcompany,abbreviated HAC or HAK,a prolific german manufacturer.A good quality clock,made around WW I I´d guess.
    Best regards
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    September 1923 sounds like a good date for it.
     
  44. mauleg

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    Thanks, Burkhard, Harold.

    Harold, could we please move this post to this thread? Methinks it would be better served there. Also, how did you date the movement with such precision?
     
  45. Steven Thornberry

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    The 9, 23 = September 1923.
     
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    Thanks, Steven! I was stuck with the notion that that was a model number.
     
  47. Steven Thornberry

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    I have merged your thread with the HAC/HAU thread.
     
  48. Brendan4285

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    Greetings from Australia.

    Our HAC clock was presented to my grandfather by E G Eager & Son Ltd in Brisbane, Australia in May 1938 in recognition of his efforts in a General Motors dealer sales contest. The dial has the HAC crossed arrows logo. The movement returned yesterday from a regular 10yr service by our local (Beaudesert Qld) Jewellers/watchmaker and I had a first chance to see the identification on the movement, which is HWN / Hawina. We assumed previously that the movement would have been HAC. For this novice the HWN/Hawina story has many twists - one site says the company folded in 1937, so this is likely to be one of their last movements.

    There are varying reports on the net regarding the quality of the HWN movements, although sometimes difficult for us novices to differentiate between many related family companies. Our local watchmaker says its one of the finer movements he has seen and has been chiming faithfully from its pride of place in the hall of this old home (Glenville) for 79 years.

    With the new information on the movement I am not sure now whether we should think of the clock as a HAC clock with a Hawina movement, or a Hawina clock with a HAC face. Your advice would be greatly appreciated.

    And a second question - the face is showing some signs of corrosion. Our local advice is not to attempt to restore the face, and I concur. But I am concerned that new spots of corrosion are appearing. Is there anything we can do to stop or slow that process?
     

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    Greetings Brendan,

    I see, your clock has been assembled from different components:

    - The movement is by Hans Winterhalter in Neustadt. It bears the old and the new logo of Winterhalter. I would therefore date the movement to 1925.

    - The dial was bought from a manufacturer of dials, which also supplied the HAC

    - The gong comes from a supplier of gongs. It may have another logo.

    - The case comes from a clock case supplier.

    And somebody has assembled your clock and exported to Australia.

    But since the movement is by Hans Winterhalter, i would call your clock a Winterhalter and not a HAC. And I regard your movement as a high quality movement.

    In Germany we call assembled clocks a clock of the trade.

    Best regards!

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  50. Brendan4285

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    Hello Chronologiker,

    Thank you so much for the very interesting update. We now wonder where the movement was from 1925 to 1938!

    Thank you again, regards,

    Brendan 4285
     

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