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Gustav Becker Date?

KurtinSA

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John Hubby's dating info suggests that this Braunau produced clock was built in the middle of 1918.

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KurtinSA

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James -

The clock dates to the third quarter of 1900. P64 is the pendulum length is centimeters.

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eemoore

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Kurt, I did a little more research on the date. Looks like it may be last quarter of 1800 or am I missing something.
James

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Just wondering where you got this information. That chart would place a date of 1892. John Hubby's info on this forum, up-dated 2020, would place this movement in the later part of the year 1900 as previously stated. Mr. hubby has done extensive research on these movements correcting many old publication. Anyway, it's an old clock for sure. Nice clock.
 

James Lucas

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Just wondering where you got this information. That chart would place a date of 1892. John Hubby's info on this forum, up-dated 2020, would place this movement in the later part of the year 1900 as previously stated. Mr. hubby has done extensive research on these movements correcting many old publication. Anyway, it's an old clock for sure. Nice clock.
This is the link for the chart Elite Timepieces - Gustav Becker Clock Serial Numbers Let me know thanks
 

James Lucas

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Regards.
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As John Hubby has performed extensive horological research on Becker, and on a more recent basis than any other horological research, I would trust John's data above all others.

Regards.
I found the chart by John Hubby and it looks like the serial number falls between 1899 - 1904. I appreciate the help.
Thanks, James
 

eemoore

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I found the chart by John Hubby and it looks like the serial number falls between 1899 - 1904. I appreciate the help.
Thanks, James
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James, I don't mean to quibble with you but the charts posted by Mr.Hubby show that serial number 1441001 started in 1900 and started in 1901 with serial number 1530001. I think his chart is much more precise that the Elite Timepiece chart. Best of luck with the restoration.
 

James Lucas

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I found the chart by John Hubby and it looks like the serial number falls between 1899 - 1904. I appreciate the help.
Thanks, James
James, I don't mean to quibble with you but the charts posted by Mr.Hubby show that serial number 1441001 started in 1900 and started in 1901 with serial number 1530001. I think his chart is much more precise that the Elite Timepiece chart. Best of luck with the restoration.
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I appreciate your input.. This is the chart I found on the NAWCC forms.
PLEASE NOTE THESE ARE COPYRIGHTED BY JOHN HUBBY ©2003-2020 BUT MAY BE USED FOR PERSONAL INFORMATION. PLEASE REFER TO LOGO TABLES FOUND ON THE FIRST PAGE OF THIS THREAD TO ENSURE YOU ARE COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES!! An update of the logo tables is in progress and will be posted later this month.
Just a note of caution on GB serial numbers. Kochmann's data is reasonable up to 1900 but had to be adjusted to ensure accuracy based on latest info per table below. After 1900 his data is seriously wrong. Also, they apply only to the Freiburg works. The Freiburg works produced about 2,510,000 serially numbered clocks from the beginning in 1847 up to mid-1925 when the numbering system was changed for as yet unknown reasons. Here are Freiburg works serial numbers for the period 1847 through mid-1925, taken from a table I have developed from a database of over 3,500 clocks including many dated examples in that period as well as being dated by patents, trade advertisements, catalogs, and other information.
1847: 0000001 1848: 0000051 1849: 0000121
1850: 0000251 1851: 0000481 1852: 0000721 1853: 0000971 1854: 0001241
1855: 0001541 1856: 0001881 1857: 0002271 1858: 0002721 1859: 0003251
1860: 0003901 1861: 0005101 1862: 0006901 1863: 0009301 1864: 0011901
1865: 0014801 1866: 0018001 1867: 0021701 1868: 0025901 1869: 0030601
1870: 0035801 1871: 0041801 1872: 0049501 1873: 0059901 1874: 0073001
1875: 0089301 1876: 0109001 1877: 0132401 1878: 0159901 1879: 0192001
1880: 0228701 1881: 0270001 1882: 0316001 1883: 0365001 1884: 0416001
1885: 0469001 1886: 0526001 1887: 0588001 1888: 0656001 1889: 0729001
1890: 0805001 1891: 0882001 1892: 0958001 1893: 1030001 1894: 1096001
1895: 1156001 1896: 1212001 1897: 1265001 1898: 1316001 1899: 1366001
1900: 1441001 1901: 1530001 1902: 1610001 1903: 1683001 1904: 1753001
1905: 1821001 1906: 1887001 1907: 1951001 1908: 2013001 1909: 2073001
1910: 2130001 1911: 2184001 1912: 2231501 1913: 2266001 1914: 2285001
1915: 2297001 1916: 2306001 1917: 2315001 1918: 2331001 1919: 2349001
1920: 2370001 1921: 2393001 1922: 2418001 1923: 2444001 1924: 2470001
Is there another I should be using?
Thanks again
James
 

eemoore

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James, I don't mean to quibble with you but the charts posted by Mr.Hubby show that serial number 1441001 started in 1900 and started in 1901 with serial number 1530001. I think his chart is much more precise that the Elite Timepiece chart. Best of luck with the restoration.
I appreciate your input.. This is the chart I found on the NAWCC forms.
PLEASE NOTE THESE ARE COPYRIGHTED BY JOHN HUBBY ©2003-2020 BUT MAY BE USED FOR PERSONAL INFORMATION. PLEASE REFER TO LOGO TABLES FOUND ON THE FIRST PAGE OF THIS THREAD TO ENSURE YOU ARE COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES!! An update of the logo tables is in progress and will be posted later this month.
Just a note of caution on GB serial numbers. Kochmann's data is reasonable up to 1900 but had to be adjusted to ensure accuracy based on latest info per table below. After 1900 his data is seriously wrong. Also, they apply only to the Freiburg works. The Freiburg works produced about 2,510,000 serially numbered clocks from the beginning in 1847 up to mid-1925 when the numbering system was changed for as yet unknown reasons. Here are Freiburg works serial numbers for the period 1847 through mid-1925, taken from a table I have developed from a database of over 3,500 clocks including many dated examples in that period as well as being dated by patents, trade advertisements, catalogs, and other information.
1847: 0000001 1848: 0000051 1849: 0000121
1850: 0000251 1851: 0000481 1852: 0000721 1853: 0000971 1854: 0001241
1855: 0001541 1856: 0001881 1857: 0002271 1858: 0002721 1859: 0003251
1860: 0003901 1861: 0005101 1862: 0006901 1863: 0009301 1864: 0011901
1865: 0014801 1866: 0018001 1867: 0021701 1868: 0025901 1869: 0030601
1870: 0035801 1871: 0041801 1872: 0049501 1873: 0059901 1874: 0073001
1875: 0089301 1876: 0109001 1877: 0132401 1878: 0159901 1879: 0192001
1880: 0228701 1881: 0270001 1882: 0316001 1883: 0365001 1884: 0416001
1885: 0469001 1886: 0526001 1887: 0588001 1888: 0656001 1889: 0729001
1890: 0805001 1891: 0882001 1892: 0958001 1893: 1030001 1894: 1096001
1895: 1156001 1896: 1212001 1897: 1265001 1898: 1316001 1899: 1366001
1900: 1441001 1901: 1530001 1902: 1610001 1903: 1683001 1904: 1753001
1905: 1821001 1906: 1887001 1907: 1951001 1908: 2013001 1909: 2073001
1910: 2130001 1911: 2184001 1912: 2231501 1913: 2266001 1914: 2285001
1915: 2297001 1916: 2306001 1917: 2315001 1918: 2331001 1919: 2349001
1920: 2370001 1921: 2393001 1922: 2418001 1923: 2444001 1924: 2470001
Is there another I should be using?
Thanks again
James
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Yes,this is the correct and latest up date apparently. Good job. Have fun with your clock.
 
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James Lucas

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I appreciate your input.. This is the chart I found on the NAWCC forms.
PLEASE NOTE THESE ARE COPYRIGHTED BY JOHN HUBBY ©2003-2020 BUT MAY BE USED FOR PERSONAL INFORMATION. PLEASE REFER TO LOGO TABLES FOUND ON THE FIRST PAGE OF THIS THREAD TO ENSURE YOU ARE COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES!! An update of the logo tables is in progress and will be posted later this month.
Just a note of caution on GB serial numbers. Kochmann's data is reasonable up to 1900 but had to be adjusted to ensure accuracy based on latest info per table below. After 1900 his data is seriously wrong. Also, they apply only to the Freiburg works. The Freiburg works produced about 2,510,000 serially numbered clocks from the beginning in 1847 up to mid-1925 when the numbering system was changed for as yet unknown reasons. Here are Freiburg works serial numbers for the period 1847 through mid-1925, taken from a table I have developed from a database of over 3,500 clocks including many dated examples in that period as well as being dated by patents, trade advertisements, catalogs, and other information.
1847: 0000001 1848: 0000051 1849: 0000121
1850: 0000251 1851: 0000481 1852: 0000721 1853: 0000971 1854: 0001241
1855: 0001541 1856: 0001881 1857: 0002271 1858: 0002721 1859: 0003251
1860: 0003901 1861: 0005101 1862: 0006901 1863: 0009301 1864: 0011901
1865: 0014801 1866: 0018001 1867: 0021701 1868: 0025901 1869: 0030601
1870: 0035801 1871: 0041801 1872: 0049501 1873: 0059901 1874: 0073001
1875: 0089301 1876: 0109001 1877: 0132401 1878: 0159901 1879: 0192001
1880: 0228701 1881: 0270001 1882: 0316001 1883: 0365001 1884: 0416001
1885: 0469001 1886: 0526001 1887: 0588001 1888: 0656001 1889: 0729001
1890: 0805001 1891: 0882001 1892: 0958001 1893: 1030001 1894: 1096001
1895: 1156001 1896: 1212001 1897: 1265001 1898: 1316001 1899: 1366001
1900: 1441001 1901: 1530001 1902: 1610001 1903: 1683001 1904: 1753001
1905: 1821001 1906: 1887001 1907: 1951001 1908: 2013001 1909: 2073001
1910: 2130001 1911: 2184001 1912: 2231501 1913: 2266001 1914: 2285001
1915: 2297001 1916: 2306001 1917: 2315001 1918: 2331001 1919: 2349001
1920: 2370001 1921: 2393001 1922: 2418001 1923: 2444001 1924: 2470001
Is there another I should be using?
Thanks again Kurt.. I appreciate the info and time...
James
James
Yes,this is the correct and latest up date apparently. Good job. Have fun with your clock.
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Thanks Kurt
 

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