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Agreed.There is a family of so called groaners, made by several parties, including these by Boardman. There are several that are Ives family origination called seatboard groaners, for example.
And please consider the following; "the earliest of these clocks had a printed label "Jerome, Darrow & Co., " while a clock made c.1827, has the label "Jerome, Thompson & Co." The last of these Jerome clocks had a similar movement with the label "Jeromes & Darrow," c.1828. All of these "groaner" movements used by these three Jerome firms had the escapement and verge between the plates, thus differing considerably from the Terry patent. It is possible that all of these cases used by these Jerome firms, as well as those for Merriman, Birge & Co. and Ives & Lewis, were made by Chauncey Jerome." And Boardman was certainly building the somewhat later version that we more commonly think of as a groaner.
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All I can say is wow & thanks!Just to keep us all confused a few of these earlier seatboard groaners have the bell mounted below the movements, but they are more rare by quite a bit. The first photo is one of these groaners with no seatboard but a bottom strike, the 3 loose movements I have in the shop, all three of those have the overhead strike, the third photo is of my clock with overhead strike, and the forth is another no seatboard with bell below. All of these are refered to as groaners, rightly or wrongly. The are not any noisier than a conventional Terry in my thinking but I haven't broken out a decible meter to document. These, unlike the so called Boardman groaners, all have roller pinions.
Oh, and the fifth photo? A very strange fragment of a seatboard groaner. To date several experts have all stated they have never seen a clock with the short seatboard. The others of these have at least 4 configurations and lengths and pulley arrangements of their seatbords and now we have this short on too.
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It is indeed a rare day when the student educates the professor. RM, you are the master of great research and the best responses on the MB. Now lets talk about all this off topic stuff! >)All I can say is wow & thanks!
I know I have learned something today!