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Great railway clock? what do you think.

CCInet

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Hello. I found this oversized clock that caught my eye.
Unfortunately I only have the following photos. In the next few days I will get more.
I am told he was possibly in a railway station from the early 20th century to the mid-1980s.
Does anyone identify that movement?
It has a solid bronze nameplate from the alleged manufacturer.
All information will be well received.
Thank you!

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JTD

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It has a solid bronze nameplate from the alleged manufacturer.
This company was founded in Belgium in 1871 and at first specialised in cast iron products for the railways and later branched into the production of railway wagons as well.

As time went on the company became well-established as a constructor of all kinds of railway infrastructure in many countries including China, Thailand, Brazil, Argentina and Chile. The company finally closed in 1961.

I would suppose that the clock was supplied by, rather than made by, this company.

A nice looking clock and looks very big.

JTD
 

CCInet

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I was finally able to access the station clock movement.
It is signed as Paul, Garnier Paris and serial number 6328.
It has a shaft at the back that moves in sync with the minute hand, for a secondary clock or to make a two-sided clock perhaps.
Will it be possible through the serial number to know the date of the movement?
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The dial is a large, very heavy solid bronze disc.

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Sloppy hand painted :confused:
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Sadly it appears to have been hand erased and repainted. Is there a technique to repaint the dial correctly?

greeting!
 

CCInet

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This company was founded in Belgium in 1871 and at first specialised in cast iron products for the railways and later branched into the production of railway wagons as well.

As time went on the company became well-established as a constructor of all kinds of railway infrastructure in many countries including China, Thailand, Brazil, Argentina and Chile. The company finally closed in 1961.

I would suppose that the clock was supplied by, rather than made by, this company.

A nice looking clock and looks very big.

JTD
Thanks for your information JDT.
Perhaps it is as you say and the signature that appears on that plate is the one that installed the clock in a train station, taking into account the activity that it carried out.
 

JTD

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Will it be possible through the serial number to know the date of the movement?
Baillie lists Paul Garnier working in Paris, died 1917. We know that your clock was installed by the Belgian construction company in 1907, so it would have been made before that date. I doubt if it will be possible to narrow the date down any more than that.

Sadly it appears to have been hand erased and repainted. Is there a technique to repaint the dial correctly?
Yes, it has been repainted, but I have seen much worse examples! There are people who specialise in repainting dials and with very fine results but I only know of those in USA and Europe. I am sorry I cannot tell you where this service might be available in Argentina, but you could ask Argentinian clockmakers who repair antique clocks and I am sure they could recommend someone. At the moment I should leave the dial as it is, it is not too bad at all.

Very nice clock, part of Argentinian railway history, well worth restoring.

JTD
 

jmclaugh

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An interesting clock. Just to add to what JTD posted that Mr. Garnier is described as "an eminent clockmaker who made an exceptionally fine collection of early watches of which 50 were given to the Louvre in 1916 and are described in a good illustrated catalogue" in the entry for him in Loomes' big red book. Perhaps the Louvre may have further information on him.
 
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Jim Andrews

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What a find! I would consider myself very fortunate to run onto something like this. I hope you'll do some mild restoration and update us with some pics of this project along the way.
 

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The Paul Garnier firm who made this was run by the son of Paul Garnier who was the originator of the carriage clock. There is a lot of information available on the firm, and on Paul Garnier the elder in particular, in books on carriage clocks.

The firm must have had a range of sequence numbers, because the carriage clocks got up to the mid 3000s under the father before his interests moved to electrical horology.
 
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CCInet

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What a find! I would consider myself very fortunate to run onto something like this. I hope you'll do some mild restoration and update us with some pics of this project along the way.
Of course. I will document the restoration project as I go about it.
For now I have disassembled the movement for cleaning and lubrication.
It still has the original animal gut string, it is a bit dry and I am considering changing it. I have lubricated it with beef grease and it seems to have gained flexibility but I am afraid it may cut as the weight of the counterweight is considerable.
Next I will take a photos of the progress.
 
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