Great buy for the cheep buyer like me, Elgin grade 112

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  1. musicguy

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    #1 musicguy, Apr 4, 2017
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    I am a bottom fisher collector compared to most of the collectors
    here with your really beautiful watches(and cases).
    I can't compare to you, but in my own low cost niche, I'm really
    having a lot of fun.

    I just aquired an 1890 Elgin Grade 112, 0 size, adjusted, 17 jewel with raised gold settings(2,800 made)
    for $15 dollars(on ebay). It's not currently running, but it was one of Elgins most expensive
    watches in 1890, $10 more than their best B W Raymond. I'm not bragging,
    someone else here could have just as easily paid the same $15 dollars for it.
    It just shows that no one collects 0 size, or no one collects broken movements.
    I can't think of any other thing I can buy on ebay(that I want) that would have cost someone
    over a months pay when new, and today I can buy it for relatively nothing.

    Rob
     
  2. Candew

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    Nice find.

    Half of my collection is size 0 or 3/0. I love the challenge of working on such small movements.
     
  3. John Cote

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    I love it...and you should be able to case it up on the cheap too.
     
  4. musicguy

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    I figured I'd look for a non working 0s listed on E-bay to find a reasonably priced case.
    I've had some bad luck buying cases in the past.


    Rob
     
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    #5 topspin, Apr 4, 2017
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    Yes - that works. If you can see it's got a dead 0s movement in it now, then you can be fairly confident it's a 0s case.
    Yes - there are not many avid collectors of ladies' watches. So there are some great bargains to be had.
    There again, it doesn't make a huge amount of difference whether you paid $15 or $50. The question is what will it have cost you in total by the time you've got it cased and running.

    Edit: I see this was my 1000th post here. :clap:
     
  6. musicguy

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    I only count the cost of the initial purchase when determining total cost.:chuckling:

    And I only use emoticons(which I don't love) to show I'm joking, sarcasm is
    sometimes misunderstood.
     
  7. topspin

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    By the way - if you want to be a *real* bottom feeder, search for
    pocket watch lot

    On any given day there is a high chance that somewhere in the listings that come back, you will find the result of someone's house-clearance scavenging, containing at least 1 item you like the look of (in among a load of random junk.) Last week I picked up a group of 6 assorted PWs (with chains) for about a tenner including postage.
     
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    I think you did well on that one. Those are great movements. I almost bought one in Ventura last month, but didn't pull the trigger. Nice high-grade watch. Congrat's.
     
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    #9 musicguy, Apr 7, 2017
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    While I keep looking for a hunter case for my Os, I found this
    nice coin silver with gold hinge(and crown) Open Face case(with Elgin movement) for $30.00
    (photo usage approved). In the photo there is a 1905 Elgin 0s 7j in it.
    I think it will look great in this case.

    [​IMG]


    Rob
     
  10. Tom McIntyre

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    I really like these silver cases with gold fittings, but I would hold out to find an open face movement for it.
     
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    #11 musicguy, Apr 18, 2017
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    My goal was to buy only one particular high grade 0s 17j movement, and
    I ended up with 5 0s movements.

    Initially I bought a non working 1890 17 jewel adjusted 0s Hunter movement. Then I bought
    a parts movement to fix the 17 jewel movement. Then I bought a
    nice open face silver case for it. But, as Tom said above I should use that for an open face
    movement. So, I then found a nice 0s Illinois private label(J. C. Neal Poughkeepsie, NY) open face for that
    case. For my original 17j 0s movement I finally got a Hunter case.
    Both cases that I bought had non working 7j 0s movements in them.

    ....................then I saw one on ebay that was complete(that I didn't buy)........ Doh! :p


    Here is mine.

    [​IMG]


    Rob
     
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    Nice looking little watch, musicguy. I really like the Breguet hands on it. Enjoy.
     
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    The watch in the photo above (1890 0s) that I bought was missing it's minute
    hand, and the hour hand was a twisted mess(but it was the Breguet hand style) .
    I wanted to replace the hands with the same exact hands my watch had.
    The parts movement that I bought looked almost
    identical to my movement(same hands) except it was a 15 jewel.
    The seller had it listed as a 1910 or something like that.
    To my pleasant surprise when I received it, the movement serial number
    was less than a 1000 off from mine, and they were
    actually made in the same year! The seller
    had the serial number and year wrong.
    It was a perfect match.

    As someone who mostly collects 18s watches this little
    0s is very nice. They call them women's watches, but
    I like them, and will have no problem carrying this one
    once in a while.

    Thanks for the good words!

    Rob
     
  14. topspin

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    Congrats - you have basically done the same here as I have done with a number of the 0s and 6s Waltham models. I don't really collect ladies' watches but it's very satisfying to assemble just enough bits to make a viable, nice watch from.
    So I can tick that model off my "one of every model" list, but don't necessarily start a "one of every grade in that particular model" list.

    Do you have a chain already sorted out?
    What do you plan to do with the left-over movements?
     
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    I agree the whole process is very satisfying.




    No chain yet.

    I will probably sell 2 of the movements unless someone here
    needs some parts.



    Rob
     
  16. azkid

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    Nice finds! I've been doing the same with Elgin 6s movements, and gathering tools, etc. Now, all I need is an empty case to put one in :) Really fond of those roman numeral faces. Do you think you're addicted yet? :excited:
     
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    I have about 50 WW2 A11's 6/0 8/0's from Bulova, Waltham and Elgin and a few 3/0's WW1 period waiting to be tended to. There are a lot of reasonably priced smaller watches that you can still find parts for.
     
  18. musicguy

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    yes, i think I may need rehab:p

    I really like those black dials, post a few photos if you can.

    These small watches are a great way to collect quality
    without spending too much money. Most of my watches are 18s or 16s
    but these 12s, 6s, and 0s are easy to find.

    For me the whole
    process is great.

    1) researching the watches I like(old adverts, catalogs, and databases)
    2) searching for particular watches on ebay, or just finding one
    3) winning and losing auctions
    4) waiting for watches to be delivered
    5) bringing a watch back to life
    6) using the watches as watches
    7) sharing what you found with others
    8) taking photos of them, and admiring the craftsmanship and history
    and much more


    Rob
     
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    Rob, as a new collector myself (well, I always liked pocket watches, but I finally was bitten by the bug) you have a great point. I never really thought about anything but the 18s. The 12s, 6s and )s I will need to start looking for especially if I can collect quality without spending too much $$. Thanks for sharing this wit us.
     
  20. Tom McIntyre

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    It can really be fun looking for these small watches.

    I attended an NAWCC regional meeting in Kansas City back in the early 1980's where Bill Meggers gave a talk on "Small Wonders" describing the 12 (and 13) size watches from Illinois and mentioned the other companies such as Hamilton, Elgin Waltham and Rockford also had high grade 12 size watches. He also remarked that he had become fascinated by them 10 or 12 years earlier and had been collecting them for "investment." His conclusion was that they were remarkable and wonderfully made and the price had not budged a bit in the 10 years he had been preaching about them. :)

    With the exception of the Elgin Hulburd, the Hamilton Masterpiece and some of the Waltham Maximus and Bridge models, that observation remains pretty much true today. There are certainly no better watches to be had at the prices they sell for. When new they sold for more than the top of the line railroad watches from the same companies.
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    I have been cataloging mine the last week or so and have just finished the Illinois examples. I will try to post them in another thread. The models and grades I have been looking for are the 299, 410, 510 and Illini in 12 size; the 437, 438 and 439 model 1 Extra Thin 12 size; and the 528, 538 and 539 13 size Illini. Some of those were made in small enough quantities that they can be hard to find.
     
  21. azkid

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    Well, darn, now the secret is out :)

    I did just pick up my first 18s. No way that is going to fit in my jeans watch pocket, though! :)

    While many of the women's watch cases are...shall we say...not quite my preferred style of aesthetic expression :) most are mind-boggling beautiful. The craftsmanship just makes me sit and ponder the way of things then and now.

    I am so thankful for these plentiful movements with interchangable parts.

    Watchmaking, I find, is the most difficult, demanding, expensive, and daunting hobby I have ever undertaken--or heard of. That's a good thing, I feel.

    But the availability, parts compatibility, and parts availability of these little watches has made the way forward a little less steep for sure.

    Demanding of the greatest level of patience, I look forward to the feeling, one day, of relying on the first pocket watch I have brought back into good running condition.
     
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