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  1. slewfoot

    slewfoot Registered User

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    I picked this up over the weekend for $50. Called a Verichon. Information on the movements are 84,Harris & Mallow, NB (0)Jewels, Made in West Germany, 341-020, 112

    I know it's not antique but was curious of its original Value. I brought it in the garage, put a nail in the wall and started adjusting things. Been running 2 days now. Plays four notes on the quarter hour and the regular hourly chimes.

    After all seemed well, I gave it a little Old English and looks better than what you see here

    Thank all
     
  2. Willie X

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    Verichon was a brand sold by
    J C Penny, Segal & Sons, etc. In the 70s and early 80s. They were made in lots of configurations and many are still around.
    Willie X
     
  3. slewfoot

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    Thank you.
     
  4. shutterbug

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    If you could post a close-up of the writing on the back of the movement, we might be able to give you an exact year the movement was made. Also, your statement that you "put a nail in the wall and started adjusting things...." makes me quite nervous. The chiming clocks are heavier than most, and should be secured on the wall with a screw into a stud.
     
  5. Robert Gift

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    Re: Nail in wall scared me, too.

    Woman had a clock fall from her wall. Trash in waste basket saved it but the pendulum suspension piece broke.

    In earthquake prone areas, I would secure the clock with a screw through the back into a wall stud or drywall anchor.
     
  6. slewfoot

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    Wasn't quite like the way it sounded lol. I hung it up to check it out. Found little issues hat I worked out learning from you all and the Gilbert I got a few months ago. It's not in a display area but I will put in an anchor tonight. thx
     
  7. slewfoot

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    84,Harris & Mallow, NB (0)Jewels, Made in West Germany, 341-020, 112
     
  8. Tinker Dwight

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    Re: Nail in wall scared me, too.

    I would also reinforce the press board mounting hole with
    some supper glue.
    You'd let it soak into the fibers and give it a couple hours
    to harden.
    The press board is already showing signs of failure.
    Don't take the suggestion of using a large screw into a stud
    lightly. A cuckoo clock is much lighter than your clock
    and having the clock fall is one of the most common causes
    of these clock being destroyed.
    Tinker Dwight
     
  9. Tinker Dwight

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    The movement was made by Hermle for Harris & Mallow.
    It is a movement number 341-020. The 84 indicates the date of manufacture
    to be 1984.
    The 112 indicates the pendulum length in CM. It would be a one second
    beat movement.
    Tinker Dwight
     
  10. slewfoot

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    Sounds good. Interesting is 1984 was when my son was born. My Gilbert mantle was 1934, the year my mom was born. Son was born on my moms birthday too! She loved it. I remember calling her saying happy birthday, you're a grandmother lol
     
  11. slewfoot

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    Just want to say thank you, you all here are a tremendous help
     
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  12. slewfoot

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    I almost forgot. My Gilbert had two key slots. Obviously one to wind it up and the other for the chimes. Would you mind explaining 3?
     
  13. Steven Thornberry

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    That's a damn long pendulum for this clock! It must stick out the bottom!.
     
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    One arbor to wind the time, one to wind the strike (hours) and one to wind the chime (Westminster).

    JTD
     
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    Left to right, it's Strike - Time - Chime. The chime spring is larger and takes about 50% more effort to wind than the Strike and Time which are the same.
    Willie X
     
  17. Tinker Dwight

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    I agree. There seem to be a lot of incorrect pendulum length stamped on Hermle movements.
    It looks to be a 0.75 to 0.5 second or there abouts.
    Tinker Dwight
     
  18. dickstorer

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    I believe the 112 is beats per minute instead of pendulum length.
     
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    Certainly, if you're happy with your purchase, that's what matters. I don't wish to take that away.

    But, particle board and everything else ersatz. Why?

    For about the same price, I have recently picked up a very nice Ansonia miniature school house in original finish (you got me, I lied, it was actually for $10 more). I have also done similar in the past.

    This is a great time to find real antique clocks for reasonable prices that will last another 100 years.

    RM
     
  20. slewfoot

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    Looks like I have another question. My Gilbert has a keyhole for running fast or slow. Does this one have something?

    Thx
     
  21. Steven Thornberry

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    There should be a rating nut at the bottom of the pendulum to raise or lower the pendulum ball. Raise to speed up; lower to slow down.
     
  22. slewfoot

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    Can I assume, the lower, the slower? lol
     
  23. JTD

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    Yes.

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  24. Tinker Dwight

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    That would be a significantly shorter pendulum but still possible.
    I looked at the case and thin you are right.
    Tinker Dwight
     
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    BPM squared is 12,544------141120 divided by 12544 is 11.25 inches. That will fit his case.
     
  26. slewfoot

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    I noticed the past few days I lose 4-5 minutes in 24 hours so I adjusted it last night. Seemed to be moving faster so when I get home tonight, I'll be able to see what happened.
     
  27. Tinker Dwight

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    That is well within adjustment for most clocks.
    That is a 1% change in length.
    It must be BPM as Dickstorer says. I don't know
    why I didn't think of that.
    Getting old.
    Tinker Dwight
     
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    Tinker, is getting old? Why Tinker, I bet I am older than you.
     
  29. Tinker Dwight

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    Yes but not by as much as you think. I was born the year they invented the transistor.
    Tinker Dwight
     
  30. dickstorer

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    I was born the year that Alcatraz became a prison. I have several years on you.
     
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    Tinker and dickstorer,

    You both sent me to the Internet to figure out your ages, and I learned a little in the process. Thanks!!!

    George
     
  32. slewfoot

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    So I originally lost close to 5 minutes and after my initial adjustment, last night when I got home I lost about 2 minutes. Last night I made another and we'll see what I get later on tonight
     
  33. Tinker Dwight

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    Most clocks have a rating nut of about .01 pitch
    for the thread.
    With your pendulum length, you get about 1 minute
    change for every 1.5 turns, per 24 hours.
    Tinker Dwight
     
  34. slewfoot

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    Thx, my adjustments have results. I'm off about a minute now.
     
  35. dickstorer

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    slewfoot, thanks for letting us know that you are making progress. Lots of times we never know if we helped or not.
     
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