Glue in bushings?

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  1. D.th.munroe

    D.th.munroe Registered User

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    I've seen alot of these over the last few years in many different clocks.
    I guess it sortof worked and didn't do as much damage as screw in or screw on ones.
    Dan.

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  2. Joseph Bautsch

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    It looks like someone took a piece of brass, pushed the end of it into the pivot and applied glue to hold it in place. Not a very good repair. It may even have worked to a degree, but given time it would certainly have failed. They probably would come off when put in clock cleaner solution anyway. They of course need to be removed and the holes re-bushed.
     
  3. D.th.munroe

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    Yup just a small flat piece of brass jammed in and glued on. This is only some of the examples I've seen at least 10 clocks were done like this "professionally"
    Of course they are properly bushed now.
     
  4. Uhralt

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    I've never seen this, only a similar approach using solder instead of glue. If you see multiple of them it seems to be the specialty of a repair person somewhere in your area.

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    I've seen it done with glue and solder, puts a strain on the train, and results in a grooved pivot on the end.
     
  6. Willie X

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    Yep, you've got a local glue dobber there.
    Ask a few friendly questions and you can find out who it is. Willie X
     
  7. D.th.munroe

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    Yup. I've asked a couple questions but havent found out who. I did find out he charged more to do that than I did to fix it, I found more pics of the work. Nice suspension spring there. Lol

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  8. Willie X

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    At least it's not made from the side of a plastic milk jug! Willie X
     
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    At least this week anyway. Never say never.
     
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    You don't have too get any solder off the plates.
     
  11. D.th.munroe

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    Lol. No milk jugs yet .. Seen a few disposable razor blades as suspension springs. Yea glad they weren't soldered on.
     
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    When folks do anything to avoid splitting the plates, it also means there was no pivot polishing either. Aside from cleaning the movement, pivot polishing and bushing are the two most fundamental operations in clock repair. It goes back to the saying, don’t learn the tricks of the trade, learn the trade.
     
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    Be sure to show your before and after pictures to the owner.
     
  14. David S

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    This is a great thread. It shows that one doesn't need to mutilate the plates with Rathbun bushings, or solder. It says that yes glue (epoxy?) does work and seems to hold up to the lubricant and normal use. It is a shame we don't know what glue was actually used.

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  15. bangster

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    Ah yes. When I first got interested in clocks, and before I knew anything, I "fixed" an ovalled EW pivot hole with a bit of brass to support the pivot and superglue to hold it in place.

    It worked! Of course that was long ago and I'm not running that clock any more, so I don't know how well it's held up.:D
     
  16. D.th.munroe

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    I will say it's much nicer than the old punch artist ones.
    As for the glue, the clear, I'm guessing some kind of epoxy, didn't stand up as well as whatever the silver colour glue is. Maybe a j-b weld type of product.
     
  17. R&A

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    So are you telling us that you would consider using glue because it worked ?? Seriously
     
  18. David S

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    Well Michael, I have seen a lot worse, and this one is pretty much reversible and perhaps kept the movement out of the landfill. I like seeing different solutions to a problem. If this gets someone starting out, without a bushing system and tools, started, so be it.

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    Whoever did this is evidently charging a healthy fee for it.
    To me that changes things a little. I think the OP should show before and after photos to the clock's owner and let him or her decide what kind of repair they previously paid for versus what they received (for less) this time around.
     
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    It’s a very poor repair job. If only because it probably will not survive the chemical cleaning process.
     
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    If I were in a Rathbun state of mind, I'd much rather do this. But with Superglue instead of glop.
     
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    Accumulation of dirt and debris? Pivot not evaluated and restored?
    What type state of mind is that bangster? o_O
     
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    The state that surface bushing users are in. IF I were of a mind to do such a repair, for whatever reason, I'd do it that way. Come to think of it, I have done it that way...on a cheap alarm clock of my own, just to get it running. :eek:
     
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    I think Willie is correct that the person doing it is a local clock "repairman". Pitiful.
     
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    I do normally show customers pictures of stuff like this, or at least show them before and after.
    I'd have no problem if someone did it to their own clocks, especially cheap alarm clocks ;) but to charge a customer professional rates to do it, yes pitiful.
     
  26. R&A

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    Allot of what I see being told to others in here, is very similar to this repair.
     
  27. bangster

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    Oh, no doubt it's a half-assed repair that shouldn't be done on a customer's clock. Don't mean there's not a place for it. ;)
     

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