Gilt pair cased by James Ilbery

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  1. Nick23

    Nick23 Registered User

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    James Ilbery is recorded as working at Queen Street, London between 1755 and 1777.
    The movement has square pillars and worm and wheel set up.
    Runs a few minutes slow over 24 hours, but apart from that it is nice condition.
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    That looks good, the piquet work looks in good condition too.

    The hour hand looks heavier than I expected, is that just the pic? The minute has more relief in the pictures.
     
  3. gmorse

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    Hi Nick & Nick,

    The hands are certainly both modern stamped replacements, not really worthy of such a good dial, but the dial itself looks quite pristine, no sign of a hairline. The style of the dial suggests a date sometime in the 1770s or a little later, and the bowl of the case appears to be clad in tortoiseshell, (for which read 'turtle'), although the bezel has underpainted fern-like patterns sometimes seen on horn work, so whether one or the other has been replaced is debatable; there are also small differences in the sizes of the rivets.

    Everything appears to be in good condition, including the screws, although they've lost their bluing.

    I don't know if James Ilbery was any relation to William Ilbery, who's famous for his Chinese market pieces.

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    Graham
     
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  4. Nick23

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    Yes the hands are modern replacements. When I got the watch the hour hand was broken, although the minute hand was OK. They were gilt, so I need to find a period set. In the meantime the replacements at least allow me to see the watch working.
    The rivets are slightly larger in the bowl of the case. The bowl and bezel had so many rivets missing that I decided to remove those that were left in the bowl and replace the missing ones in the bezel with them. I managed to locate some rivets, but they are slightly larger. I thought that doing it this way I at least retained some of the originals and the turtle shell on the bowl would be more secure. I do though have sufficient to replace all those in the bezel so that all the rivets would match. Or.... I could remove the larger ones that are in the bowl and replace the originals in their original positions(I have lots of photos).



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  5. Nick23

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    Oooopps! Sorry about the all those repeats. Just like BBC TV.
     
  6. gmorse

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    Hi Nick,

    On the principle of making the part fit the watch rather than the other way round, the replacement rivets should ideally be made to match the original ones.

    That minute hand 'as received' is still an inappropriate replacement, the hands should look more like this, (pictures of steel hands before and after gilding):

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    Graham
     
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  7. Nick23

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    Thanks for your valued advice Graham. I shall seek replacements.

    Regards,
    Nick
     
  8. Nick23

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    I have taken Graham's advice and blued the screws.
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    And after much rummaging through loads of parts I managed to find a nice pair of period hands. They were a bit rusty, but I spent a couple of hours very carefully cleaning and bluing them and I think they look okay.
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    that's certainly better
     
  10. gmorse

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    Hi Nick,

    The blued screws form such a striking contrast with the gilt plate, and those hands are a great improvement.

    Regards,

    Graham
     
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