Hi Gents, Hereby I present you my new purchase - Germania s/n 54177. The clock is a special one because of 2 reasons: - it is short version ( German says Kurz - it means longer then dwarf, smaller then for ex. GB P64 pendulum version) - has date on the case back that can help with production date positioning By ulan65 at 2011-07-22 By ulan65 at 2011-07-22 By ulan65 at 2011-07-22 By ulan65 at 2011-07-22 With above, looks as 54177 belongs to May 4th, 1881 ( or April 5th ). Since start of production in 1871 in average 5000 items a year - it is reasonable. Does anybody have other marks to ensure production date? There are some missing parts, some are added and not orginal but the case is solid and healthy - easy to restore.