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German pocket watch - please help to identify

RON in PA

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Welcome to the Message Board.

Your watch appears to be a Swiss made cylinder escapement watch from about 1885-1910. The crown/crescent hallmark is for cases sold in Germany.
 

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Thank you the answer.
I would like to be it to be repaired. Maybe I find somebody though I don't know how to get a minute-hand.
If I'm twirling the crown, the left-bottom gear-wheels are circling but nothing happens.
 

RON in PA

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From your description, the mainspring is probably broken.
 

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Thank you!
Now the watch repairer saw it and it's ure that the mainspring is broken and the minute hand also (we must seek another one).
Do you have any idea what E&F mark means in the case?
 

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That E&F mark came several times along my eyes, but alas I never found an identification for that. Hints a highly welcome.

Regards, Andreas
 

eri231

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Thank You

Do you have any idea what E&F mark means in the case? How we can combine E&F with J.W.?
What do you think about it?
E&F is the casemaker, it should be Erard and Favre who were casemakers in LeLocle.While JW Johan Wittenberg was the importer in Breslau and the movement was built by Cortebert, the words Systeme Glashuette were widely used because German watchmaking could not satisfy the German market, so traders imported watches from Switzerland with Systeme Glashuette lettering that customers were used to.
Regards enrico
 

WojciechBlackforest

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E&F is the casemaker, it should be Erard and Favre who were casemakers in LeLocle.While JW Johan Wittenberg was the importer in Breslau and the movement was built by Cortebert, the words Systeme Glashuette were widely used because German watchmaking could not satisfy the German market, so traders imported watches from Switzerland with Systeme Glashuette lettering that customers were used to.
Regards enrico
Thank You so much ,now everything it's clear for me , let me express respect to your knowledge
 

WojciechBlackforest

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E&F is the casemaker, it should be Erard and Favre who were casemakers in LeLocle.While JW Johan Wittenberg was the importer in Breslau Pand the movement was built by Cortebert, the words Systeme Glashuette were widely used because German watchmaking could not satisfy the German market, so traders imported watches from Switzerland with Systeme Glashuette lettering that customers were used to.
Regards enrico
Good ,
I have tried find that kind of movement on Ranfft's website.


Unfortunatelly I havent found it. I was searching in Cortebert movements.
If I have to be honsety I do not have wide knowledge and experience with pocket watch movemnts.
Would You like help me to find it and definetely confirm who is the producer? (origin of this clock)

Thank You in advance for any help Mr Enrico;)
 

eri231

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Roland Ranfft has done a great deal of cataloging movements, but it is difficult to catalog movements produced before the twentieth century or movements built as raw to be worked on by other watchmakers. Even large factories like Longines Zenith Omega also built raws for others, so sometimes you can recognize, a manufacturer, from details such as click-spring, anchor bridge, balance bridge design or hairstud.
Regards enrico
 

WojciechBlackforest

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Roland Ranfft has done a great deal of cataloging movements, but it is difficult to catalog movements produced before the twentieth century or movements built as raw to be worked on by other watchmakers. Even large factories like Longines Zenith Omega also built raws for others, so sometimes you can recognize, a manufacturer, from details such as click-spring, anchor bridge, balance bridge design or hairstud.
Regards enrico
Thank you for your response.It is almost clear for me.
So based on your knowledge can you without any doubt confirm in 100% that is Cortebert's movement? Do you see details on my movement which are characteristic with Cortebert movement which you mentioned before?

Please find attached better quality photos.

Sincerely
Pławecki Wojciech

20211130_193501.jpg 20211130_193410.jpg 20211130_193426.jpg
 

WojciechBlackforest

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Thank you for your response.It is almost clear for me.
So based on your knowledge can you without any doubt confirm in 100% that is Cortebert's movement? Do you see details on my movement which are characteristic with Cortebert movement which you mentioned before?

Please find attached better quality photos.

Sincerely
Pławecki Wojciech

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What do you think about this pocket watch with this movement? It is attractive for collectors or nothing special?
 

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