German Drop Dial Clock ?

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  1. KBwindup

    KBwindup Registered User
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    Hi all
    I have what I think is a German wall clock. I ve read that German manufacturers made 'American' clock lookalikes upto approx 1880 but I think this clock is a bit later than that as 'J.Hartman', the retailer, only began operating at around this time until the 1930's.
    I suppose it could be one of the a/m German knockoffs but I ve never come across one before and was wondering what the general consensus is.
    The movement looks more twentieth century to me but I m not sure. It is unmarked bar '5 105' on the bottom left and 53/9 on the bottom right.
    Any help would be appreciated.
    Eamonn

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  2. Tatyana

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    Hi, Eamonn.
    This movement is made by F.Mauthe, compare with the picture from the 1924 FMS catalog:

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    53/9 = movement serial number 5379
    '5 105' = pendulum length 45, number of oscillations of the pendulum 105.

    BR, Tatyana
     
  3. KBwindup

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    Thanks a million Tatyana, that's great to know. I thought it was a German movement but wasn't sure.
    I m wondering now if it wasn't a replacement movement put in afterwards as I m guessing that the octagonal drop dial case was a bit old fashioned by the 1920's but maybe not.
    Thanks again, most appreciated
     
  4. JTD

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    This style of case was fairly 'timeless' and I don't think it would have been out place in the 1920s (also the dial fits in with the date). Unless you can see obvious signs of another movement having been there, I see no reason to think this is not the original one.

    JTD
     
  5. KBwindup

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    Thanks for that JTD,
    The dial itself is a type of silicone or early plastic coating over what seems like paper / card board. Would that still tie in with the mid twenties movement?
    I ve come across fully silicone dials before on late nineteenth century/ early twentieth century German clocks but this is a little different.
    Thanks again
    Eamonn
     
  6. JTD

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    I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'silicone'. You are right that early 20th century card or paper dials often had some kind of plasticised finish (or sometimes a celluloid type coating) but I don't think this had anything to do with silicone, though I could be wrong.

    But whatever it is, I think that your dial does indeed tie in with the 1920s/30s date - the figures are too modern to be much earlier, in my opinion.

    JTD.
     
  7. KBwindup

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    Thanks JTD, your quite right I meant to write celluloid not silicone. That's a very good point about the numerals, they do look right for that time period.
    I ll go with a 1920's clock for a date and see how that ties in with the owners family history of it.
    Thanks again, very informative for me
    Eamonn
     
  8. JTD

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    You're welcome.

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