George Dent, 18th century longcase with penny moon

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    So I’m guessing that the auctioneers description of “faux moonphase” is incorrect?
     
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    I looked at additional pics and it all seemed in order. Westmorland date wheel he was a Cumbria maker. No guarantee it all works but it shows full moon and a lunar date of 15 so that is very encouraging.
     
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    nice! how many long cases do you have now?
     
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    That's a nice looking clock.


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    Nice dial I thought. There are eleven in cases in the house another running without a case a dozen more knocking about
     
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    Maybe it's time to change your name novicetimekeeper ;)


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    I chose that when I came here because I was looking into watches, still learning though. My real name is Nick :)
     
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    I was just having some fun Nick, no need to change your name:)


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    #10 novicetimekeeper, Sep 8, 2018
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    When it turns up I'll take some more pics, but will ask Duggleby's if I can use theirs in the meantime. We have chosen a spot for it where it will be allowed to run, after all that's why we wanted a penny moon. Probably won't be allowed to strike though.
     
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    I think I am up to 7 between our two homes. I guess I have a ways to go to catch up....... ;). in fact, I might go so far as to say this somewhat vindicates me in the decision to buy more.....

    13 tube Jacques......9+ bell double hammer 18th century dutch marquetry.....you know...the kind of clocks not usually found in the average antique store.
     
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    I only collect English, and usually late 17th early 18th unless they are locally made in which case will go further into the 18th century. There was no tradition of penny moons down this way so they would be very rare, and they are rare on early clocks. They were popular in Cumbria though and the Cumbrian makers were always a bit special.

    I would still love a square dial single hander with penny moon and tides, that would be quite special, but otherwise this is it for me and penny moons for now.
     
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    I too like penny moons

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    He looks rather less grumpy, which one is that? I only onn one arch dial longcase (and it isn't here at this house so rarely counted in my inventory)
     
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    Here is a very rare bracket clock with moonphase. Out of my budget but I enjoyed seeing it. (running backwards because I was turning my partner was filming and I didn't realise!)

     
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    excuse my ignorance but why is it called a, "penny moon"?

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    It's said to be named after the aperture, pennies were quite big. The names for the various moon phase styles may not be contemporary with their introduction, they followed fashion. The first were as this, the penny moon, initially found on square dial longcase and rarely on chamber (lantern) clocks. When arched dials were introduced the penny moon could be found up there, or more rarely a spherical moon. Then the moon roller filled the arch.

    The axehead or halifax style of moon is found on some regional square dials, generally on painted dials but not exclusively.

    As ever with clocks there are exceptions and oddities. I've seen some with a subsidiary to show four different moon phases. Tides were a popular thing with some makers, particularly coastal towns.
     
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    If the name does refer to the size of the aperture then I think it is not contemporary, as the first copper coins were made by Boulton and Watt on their new steam presses and dated 1797. (I have some they are wonderful bits of history and are the weight of their face value in copper at the time.)

    There were privately minted tokens before this for a decade or so because there was such a shortage of the silver coinage in small denominations.

    However it could be a contemporary reference to the silver pennies in circulation in the late 17th and the first half of the 18th centuries, because the very early apertures were small and as the moon was silvered they did look like a coin from that era.

    History of the British penny (1714–1901) - Wikipedia
     
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    Less grumpy? How about this part of the same disc, its almost scaring :) By the way its from my Wigton clock.

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    that looks like Salvador Dali did it.

    Love the wrigglework.
     
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    Clock should be on its way soon, meanwhile have been given permission to share pics.

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    Finally arrived, surprisingly short and a very cheaply made dial, Mr Dent obviously had a clientele of modest incomes.

    Very unusual penny moon, the moon himself looks a character, not at all sure what the no moon image is supposed to be. Fireworks? Stars? Chrysanthemums?

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    Unusual spandrels too, and one broken. Only solution is to get another cast using one as a mould I guess.

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