Gentlemen, I have not been here in a long while

[A.F.W.]

I am having problem attaching all my pics.

 

[Jerry Treiman]

Can you tell us more about it?
size ... movement ... how it is wound and set?

 

[A.F.W.]

Very rare Movado Zenith 18K gold pocket watch powered by an ultra thin 17 jewels Movado Zenith wristwatch movement. This is the classic Movado Museum dial design which was so successful for Movado. The minimalist dial was inspired by Bauhaus designs. The solid gold dial has a machine circular texture made by turning the disc on a lathe. Then the Sun image positioned at noon position was thereafter milled leaving a high polish surface. Black coated hands make a nice contrast. The watch measures 38 mm across. I found a couple of wrist watches with a similar but smaller case and an identical dial for sale on the Internet. One in 18K yellow gold and one in 18K white gold. The back has a factory number 30 0280 535

 

[A.F.W.]

Gentlemen, after a long hiatus from here I am back with a question about one of my watches. It is a European watch, possibly Patek Philippe. I was looking for the European Pocket Watch Forum but could not find it.
So with your permission I am posting here. This watch as you see has no signature on the movement nor any numbers.
No signature on the dial. The inside case cover has Patek Philippe signature with a number. Looks as though there was another snap cover but missing. Can you please venture an opinion on this watch?

 

[Paul Sullivan]

A.F.W. ,

Try posting in the "European & Other Pocket Watches" forum. It certainly looks like the many I've seen online.

 

[A.F.W.]

Gentlemen, after a long hiatus from here I am back with a question about one of my watches. It is a European watch, possibly Patek Philippe. I was looking for the European Pocket Watch Forum but could not find it.
So with your permission I am posting here. This watch as you see has no signature on the movement nor any numbers.
No signature on the dial. The inside case cover has Patek Philippe signature with a number. Looks as though there was another snap cover but missing. Can you please venture an opinion on this watch?

 

[A.F.W.]

A.F.W. ,

Try posting in the "European & Other Pocket Watches" forum. It certainly looks like the many I've seen online.

Thanks, I just found that forum.

 

[A.F.W.]

Check this link out bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements: Patek-Philippe 18'''H6.5 Gondolo

Thanks but not the same.

 

[agemo]

Hi,
The same one with a superior finish and it is certified :

Patek Philippe, montre de poche en or

Patek Philippe, montre de poche en or, vente aux enchères mercredi 13 avril à 15 heures

www.expertisez.com

Amicalement GG

 

[Dr. Jon]

The movement looks like Patek Phillippe movement in that serial number range. The third wheel jewel has been replaced.

It is a very fine watch

 

[A.F.W.]

Hi,
The same one with a superior finish and it is certified :

Patek Philippe, montre de poche en or

Patek Philippe, montre de poche en or, vente aux enchères mercredi 13 avril à 15 heures

www.expertisez.com

Amicalement GG

While the one you are showing here is 47mm across mine is 40.6mm.

 

[A.F.W.]

The movement looks like Patek Phillippe movement in that serial number range. The third wheel jewel has been replaced.

It is a very fine watch

Thank you for your reply. So no numbers nor signatures on the movement is normal for PP from this period? Someone posted a link to one about 7mm bigger that was from 1830s.

 

[A.F.W.]

Very rare Movado Zenith 18K gold pocket watch powered by an ultra thin 17 jewels Movado Zenith wristwatch movement. This is the classic Movado Museum dial design which was so successful for Movado. The minimalist dial was inspired by Bauhaus designs. The solid gold dial has a machine circular texture made by turning the disc on a lathe. Then the Sun image positioned at noon position was thereafter milled leaving a high polish surface. Black coated hands make a nice contrast. The watch measures 38 mm across. I found a couple of wrist watches with a similar but smaller case and an identical dial for sale on the Internet. One in 18K yellow gold and one in 18K white gold. The back has a factory number 30 0280 535

 

[agemo]

Excuse me I couldn't guess it ha ha !

Amicalement GG

 

[Dr. Jon]

I have two early nes under 30,000. Neither have marking on the movement side. There are no Patek Philippe watches from the 1830's. They formed the company in 1845. Patek partnered with Czapik before 1845.

 

[A.F.W.]

Remarks
1925-
Since introduction in 1925 for many decades the thinnest movement, just in the recent years underscored by the Audemars Piguet 2003, slightly lower with 1.64mm.
escapement wheel in Lubrifix 66, later Kif Duofix
since about 1985 shock absorber Kif Ultraflex

Example, year: signature; shock device
ca. 1960: Bucherer, Swiss, 3 Adj, 17 Jewels
(Frederic Piguet 21, 18000A/h, Lubrifix 66)

Used by many, including Zenith.

bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements

www.ranfft.de

and I may ask, you say the dial is solid gold. Is is stamped anywhere?

I do not remember if I saw a stamp or not but I do not need a stamp to know when I see solid gold. 40 years as a goldsmith.

 

[A.F.W.]

bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements: Patek-Philippe 18'''H5

www.ranfft.de

is 40.6mm

Thanks for the links, however I was looking for a reply from someone REALLY in the know. I received one from Dr. Jon a moderator here who gave this watch a blessing as a genuine Patek Philippe. So all good. My doubts elevated.

 

[A.F.W.]

It was only a question.

I understood and could not answer in the affirmative as to stamp.

 

[A.F.W.]

Think you mean alleviated?

Anyway, where did I say it wasn't a Patek?
I can't see where anybody did.

yes, just rushing and making mistake

 

[John Pavlik]

I would say it is rather common, with earlier Patek watches, that the movement is not visibly marked... ..