"Geneva stripes"

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  1. Jeff Hess

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    you know what ticks me off? the use of the term "Geneva stripes" to describe the high polishing (sometimes we call it "damaskeening") of movement plates.
    The Swiss use this term always in their advertisemnts like it is big deal.
    My question is "Who started this practice first?" Was it us? I remember that celebrated study the BHI did that definitivly answered the question (siding with us Americans) as to "who copied who" in watch design and mass production capabilites a few yers back but does anyone know for CERTAIN who first did "Geneva stripes". Shouldn't it be called Waltham Stripes? or "Hamilton stripes" or just "Good old definetly USA so don't mess with us stripes"? Just wondering.
     
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    you know what ticks me off? the use of the term "Geneva stripes" to describe the high polishing (sometimes we call it "damaskeening") of movement plates.
    The Swiss use this term always in their advertisemnts like it is big deal.
    My question is "Who started this practice first?" Was it us? I remember that celebrated study the BHI did that definitivly answered the question (siding with us Americans) as to "who copied who" in watch design and mass production capabilites a few yers back but does anyone know for CERTAIN who first did "Geneva stripes". Shouldn't it be called Waltham Stripes? or "Hamilton stripes" or just "Good old definetly USA so don't mess with us stripes"? Just wondering.
     
  3. hc3

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    The earliest I have seen it published was in a watch catalog (English) from the 1890s.
     
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    "English stripes"?

    That is REALLY depressing.

    Since my intitial post I have been looking at all the pocket watch movements laying about in our office and I can assure you were damaskeening way earlier than that.

    I guess we will may never know when the first "Straight line" demaskeening was done.
    But something tells me it was us Americans who did it first. I just cringe when I see the Swiss making a big deal out of "Geneva Stripes".... oh well..
     
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    As usual, I failed to make myself clear. The English catalogue used the term Geneva Stripes.

    I believe there is a French term, also, flowers of something or something flowers.

    The earliest watches I have seen it on are Swiss fake Waltham style key winds, so that is the 1870s probably.

    I hope it's an American invention too. I'm going to start a thread on it o the PW and 149 boards.
     
  6. Harold Visser

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    Jeff, I recall being told by Jon that a few E. Howards around the 5,000 ser. number range were gilt damaskeened versions. That would put the date around the early 1860s. Certainly seems like an American watch company was the first!
    Harold
     
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    thanks Harold...

    We have moved this discussion to the pocket watch chapter..

    jeff
     

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