Gear ratio calculations for clocks.

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  1. NeonEviscerator

    NeonEviscerator Registered User

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    Hello, I'm trying to make a computer program to model the mehcanism of various clocks for use as a design aid and I was wondering, what do you all consider to be the most important things to be factored into the calculations surrounding gear ratios, pendula, and the speed of the clock and, most importantly, how do you calculate these factors with respect to the overall working of the clock.

    Also, I'm new to this and know almost nothing about clocks. As such, can you please keep explanations simple enough for an infidel such as myself to understand.
     
  2. Phil Burman

    Phil Burman Registered User

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    That's a big question.

    Google: clock gear train calculator.

    Here's a spreadsheet I use:



    Phil

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  3. John MacArthur

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    For starters, but the most important thing is that the big hand goes around once an hour, the little hand goes around once in 12 hrs, and the second hand goes around once a minute, at least in a traditional clock. Everything else follows. As Phil implied, there are a lot of ways to get there.
    Johnny
     
  4. NeonEviscerator

    NeonEviscerator Registered User

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    Thanks guys, this is a huge help.
     
  5. Jim DuBois

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    If I understand your original question you are starting with a clean sheet of paper conceptually speaking and want to know some major design parameters for clockmaking? A few major design parameters that most clocks follow includes 1) most wheel to pinion ratios are about 8:1 with cycloidal tooth profiles 2) the sweet spot for a clock gear train is 4 arbors, more arbors cause more friction, less arbors may require going outside the 8:1 recommended gear ratios 3) many escape wheels have 30 teeth 4) generally speaking weight driven mechanisms keep better time than spring driven 5) most pendulum clocks have pendulum lengths between 10.7" and 39.14" , meaning that 1/2 second to 1 second pendulums cover the vast majority of pendulum clocks....of course there are exceptions to all 5 of these recommended parameters, but they offer a good way to start..
     
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  6. Paul Madden

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    Hi Phil,

    Did you create this spreadsheet yourself, or did you find it online? It has some useful information on cable length and winding drum diameter which I find interesting as well.

    Best wishes,

    Paul.
     
  7. NeonEviscerator

    NeonEviscerator Registered User

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    Thanks Jim, this is incredibly useful.
     
  8. dandydude

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    Thats a super broad question.
    Broadly... 1. there is power source. 2. There is a regulating device that spins the wheels at certain speed/time interval. 3.There is a indicating device to show/ indicate the time.
    The power source can be a weight or a wound spring. Can even be electricity which i don't wish to talk about.
    The regulating device can be a pendulum or a hairspring. The regulating device talks to the clock through what is known as an escapement.
    The indicating device can be 'the hour and minute hands' or 'striking mechanism' (sound) or both. It could also be a LCD screen.

    I really don't know where to stop.
     
  9. Phil Burman

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    I wrote it myself, it's all very simple math.

    Phil
     
  10. NeonEviscerator

    NeonEviscerator Registered User

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    Thanks, Danny, this gives me a lot to think about. My program will not be designed in any real part around electric clocks as, as I understand it, they operate on an entirely different mechanism.
     
  11. NeonEviscerator

    NeonEviscerator Registered User

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    Phil, if it's not too much trouble can you explain some of the maths behind your spreadsheet, that would be extremely helpful.
     
  12. Phil Burman

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    Another big question. Here's the answer:

    gear train calculator 1.JPG
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  13. Paul Madden

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  14. NeonEviscerator

    NeonEviscerator Registered User

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    Thanks Phil! This is a great help!
     
  15. manuelf

    manuelf Registered User

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    Es un tema interesante. Y disculpad mi pregunta donde puedo encontrar la formula para el calculo beats por hora para relojes americanos del tipo Ansonia, waterbury, etc. Gracias.
     
  16. fbicknel

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    Oh, great. Now I have another excuse to make another spreadsheet. :D
     
  17. fbicknel

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    And there's an answer key! (shouldn't it be upside down? :))
     
  18. fbicknel

    fbicknel Registered User

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    It's a a clock forum. We don't stop. :rolleyes:
     

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