French Brass Lantern ID & Date

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  1. Duane Deppen

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    Pick this up at auction. Any date and maker ideas? Any places to research it more? Thanks for help.

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    I would have thought 20th century, shows no sign of conversion from a real one so was made like that.
     
  3. JTD

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    I agree with Nick, probably 20th century, but nicely made and engraved. It says 'Made in France' on the back plate, so we know where it (or at least the movement) was made. There is a word stamped above the 'Made in France' but it is very blurred in your photo. Can you tell us what it says?

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  4. Chris Radano

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    The front of the clock looks like it could be an old lantern clock. Except the bell, and Recency style hands. The Victorians and Edwardians were industrious, in those times there was a lot of use of old clock parts to make more "modern" clocks. Lantern clocks made from old parts, fitted with French, or the more expensive fusee movements can be found today. I would suspect your clock was not mass produced, but a made up clock to suit a more modern home than an ungainly 30 hour weight wall clock.
     
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    I've seen them at auctions, I think it was suggested they were 1950s but I don't know if that's true. They seem to have carriage clock movements with a passing strike.
     
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    Some of them were clearly new construction, some of these recycled lantern clocks can command substantial prices at auctions. Especially when stuffed to the brim with twin fusee movements.
     
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    There are several on ebay at the moment. The chapter ring is screwed on in the french style, the case shows no sign of ever being a gravity clock or of having a different movement. The dial has a centre ring that in an original alarm would have been blank but here is decorated. It seems unlikely to me that this was not made as it is, but I can't guarantee that.

    I agree the Victorians got into converting English ones in a big way, and when they ran out of old ones made new. I would think this is simply the French making it for an English market.
     
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    #8 Chris Radano, Nov 25, 2018
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    Look at the side pillars, especially at the top under the frets, and bottom above the feet. That's a nice chunk of brass, would be expensive to reproduce. I also think the chapter ring could be old. I get your point about the center engraving...Looks like Tudor rose, but not quite right, still well done. Also, it has the authentic proportions. Fun debate, I see the lines of reproduced and recycled being blurred. To me, it's English made, with the movement imported. At least they could have put an English hammer, the French hammer looks too small. Notice where the bell strap meets the back post is missing a pin? Looks like you have heavy brass which to me is old.
     
  9. Duane Deppen

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    It says FRANCE on top, then Made in France. Thanks.

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    They did well with that matching up winding arbours
     
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    I like the debate. I also found about 20 practice etchings under the chapter ring. It looked as if the engraver practiced some of the strokes before committing to a visible area of the clock.
     
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    those are always fun
     
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    Maybe that has something to do with the choice of movement for this lantern clock. They didn't have to drill winding holes through the dial. Although now we realize the dial center is probably later. But a proper lantern clock doesn't have winding holes. I still think a lantern clock with with a twin fusee movement wound through the dial is perfectly OK.
     
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    We have to be grateful to the Victorians. Without their enterprise many clocks would have been lost to scrap, and even though we don't have those movements it has enabled people to trace makers and styles of case and engraving.
     
  16. Ticktocktime100

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    Hi,
    A fine clock. It appears to have a typical French "carriage" type mouvement. I'd date it to around 1900 given the "Made in France" marking which was introduced around that time. The clock is in the style of earlier lantern clocks as has been stated above.
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    There are quite a number of repro lantern clocks that were made with spring driven movements - Smiths in particular made a heap, although this doesn't seem to be one of them
     

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