Found a nice 16s adjusted 15j 1881 Elgin Grade 4

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  1. musicguy

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    #1 musicguy, Mar 17, 2017
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    I found a beautiful(at least to me) 16s adjusted 15j 1881 Elgin Grade 4, The dial
    has no hairlines or chips, and the movement is very clean,
    and it has it's original hands. It is in a open face case, but I don't
    see any case marks, and lot's of jewelers marks on inside.
    ( the case is Joseph Fahys & Co. 1897 maybe http://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=68478&d=1281304899)
    It came with a cool watch chain and fob. All together
    I really like this one. One other thing that I like
    is that the regulator has some real thickness to the plate.

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  2. Jerry Treiman

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    I agree! This is a great-looking model. I have one that is a little later and they appear to have added a Breguet overcoil and a micrometer regulator. Mine is also an original "sidewinder", in a Dueber coin silver case.
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  3. Dave Coatsworth

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    I like this model, as well. Here's a PL out of my collection...

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  4. musicguy

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    I know one of you knows the answer to this.....

    I really like the "No."(NUMBER) abbreviation before the serial number. I
    was looking at both of your watches(posted above) Jerry's is from 1884 and
    Dave's is from 1883. Both have the "No." before the serial number.
    I looked at two of my other watches from 1881(11 jewel KW KS) and one from 1882(GM Wheeler)
    an they just list the serial number (without a "No.") in front of it.
    I looked at old advertisements posted by "Ed Ueberall" and "John F." , and some early B W Raymonds had
    it on the 18s but not on others. So it had to only be on certain watches, not just a style based on
    year. I'm sure I could easily research it but I'd rather ask it.


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  6. Jerry Treiman

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    Interesting observation! As you note, it does not appear to relate to the vintage of the watch. It also does not seem to relate to the engraving style. I have a nickel convertible movement in the 800-thousands with the same engraving style, but no “No.” before the serial number. The only other movement I have with “No.” is this grade 107.
     

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  7. luvsthetick

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    Here is a grade 3 with No. before the serial.


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