FHS Hermle Clock Movement Identification

[AledW]

Hello,

I'm new to the site and new to clock repair although I have been doing watches for a little while.

I am trying to mend a 1930's mantle clock. I have taken the movement out of the case and am trying to identify what it is. The only marks I can see on the back of the movement are FHS 15cm 178,28. I understand that this means that it is a Hermle movement, 15cm refers to pendulum length and 178,28 is the beats per minute. My problem is that it does not seem to have any other identifying numbers. I believe there should be year stamp at the top and a movement number underneath but I cannot find anything and I wondered if someone might recognise the movement from the pictures attached.

Also, any idea where I might get a replacement barrel for the striking mechanism, preferably in the UK?

Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Aled

 

[shutterbug]

I believe the FHS (Franz Hermle & Sons) was an older trademark. I'd guess the age as somewhere between the mid 40's and early 60's. I don't know what model that one might be. It is, of course, possible that your 1030's estimate is correct too. The company was established in the early 20's.

 

[Steven Thornberry]

If this is a 1930's clock, that would be well before Hermle started putting the 2-digit year code (changed in 1988 to letters) and the movement numbers on their movements. I think the dating began around the late 1960's, and I don't really know when they started putting the movement numbers on.

 

[AledW]

Thanks for the replies. I'm pretty sure it's a 30's clock as it was given as a wedding present around that time. Any idea if the barrels from that time would be the same size as more modern movements? The strike movement barrel has lost some teeth and will need to be replaced.

 

[MARK A. BUTTERWORTH]

The new series number is 141-040. The movement is still made but the old styler barrels are obsolete

 

[AledW]

Mark, many thanks for this information - it's a great help.

 

[bhcheeze]

Does anyone know what year of Hermle Schwebeanker mantel clock I have? This is a wooden mantel clock with romans numerals. The dash marks for the in between numbers are pointed and look more "art deco" than those of the 50s and 60s.

The movement itself says "FHS" in the bottom right corner, but has no numbers or other markings on it. The wooden door is stamped with the following "N 266/1 K" Thanks in advance for any information you might have.

 

[Willie X]

OP,

It is pre 1958. You may not be able to date it exactly from the clock itself. Although it would likely be just pre or post WW II. Might be better, and easier, to investigate the date of the wedding. Probably a good story there somewhere.

Unfortunately there are no parts available, except what can be 'found', or they can be made for a price.

Good luck in your effort, Willie X

 

[Maisiecookson]

i also have a 15cm 178,28 franz hermle clock would anyone be able to tell me the price range it would be worth - and even a link to a video or just steps on how to restart it

 

[Dick Feldman]

Thanks for the replies. I'm pretty sure it's a 30's clock as it was given as a wedding present around that time. Any idea if the barrels from that time would be the same size as more modern movements? The strike movement barrel has lost some teeth and will need to be replaced.

It is likely you have collateral damage to the second wheel arbor, second wheel teeth or even up into the third wheel. If you put teeth back on that barrel without determining the original problem, it may happen again. If the barrel is not available but a new movement is, it might be a good move to change out the movement.
Dick

 

[Dick Feldman]

i also have a 15cm 178,28 franz hermle clock would anyone be able to tell me the price range it would be worth - and even a link to a video or just steps on how to restart it

It is against the rules on this board to appraise, give price, etc.
Dick

 

[shutterbug]

i also have a 15cm 178,28 franz hermle clock would anyone be able to tell me the price range it would be worth - and even a link to a video or just steps on how to restart it

You can go to the bottom of the forums page and use the "What's this Clock worth?" forum to get member views on its worth. You'll have to agree to some rules before you can post there, and that will be explained when you attempt to post.

 

[jjrkw]

I have acquired what seems to be the same movement within a mantle clock. The pendulum bob is lost. What type of bob attaches to this clock? Is it attached via a simple loop onto the hook? Would it also typically have a threaded rod of some sort to adjust the length? How important is the weight of the bob? These may seem to be simple questions but I am new to this and have been reading this forum, really good, interesting info..

 

[R. Croswell]

I have acquired what seems to be the same movement within a mantle clock. The pendulum bob is lost. What type of bob attaches to this clock? Is it attached via a simple loop onto the hook? Would it also typically have a threaded rod of some sort to adjust the length? How important is the weight of the bob? These may seem to be simple questions but I am new to this and have been reading this forum, really good, interesting info..

It is usually best to start a new thread when starting a discussion about a different clock with pictures of your own clock. www.timesavers.com and www.merritts.com are but two places that should have the parts you require.

RC

 

[jjrkw]

Thanks. Will go there to look.

 

[shutterbug]

Post a pic of your mantel clock, jj. Then I'll split your inquiry off into it's own thread so we can help you out. Front and back (with door open) would help us most.

 

[tonito]

Hola hoy compré un FH&A
muy antiguo numero de serie 67890
sabéis algo de él pongo foto es tipo americano pequeño sobre 28 cm

 

[tonito]

ES respuesta.. gracias y saludos

 

[tonito]

F.H & S

 

[tonito]

 

[shutterbug]

It's old, but I don't know how old. Dead beat escapement. Maybe late 19th century.

 

[JTD]

Tonito,

Are you sure it is marked F.H. & S? It is a pity that the mark is obscured in your photo but I think it may be P.H. & S, which would be Philipp Haas & Söhne.

Perhaps you could post a better photo to make sure?

JTD

 

[new2clocks]

I think it may be P.H. & S, which would be Philipp Haas & Söhne.

I agree.

Maybe late 19th century.

I also agree with this dating.

We know the 'P. H. & S.' mark was in use as late as 1891:

Unknown Cottage

Hi All, I need help identifying this small cottage clock with a timer. Thanks in advance

mb.nawcc.org

The above thread also shows a Haas movement very similar to the OP's movement.

Regards.

 

[tonito]

Pues tienen toda la razon...como me pudo equivocar creo que su logo era una liebre.

 

[new2clocks]

Pues tienen toda la razon...como me pudo equivocar creo que su logo era una liebre.
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PH&S did use the 'hare' trademark, but we see the mark on your movement in some of the late 19th century movements from PH&S.

Regards.

 

[tonito]

que me podéis decir ahora es una máquina robusta, muy bien construida áncora gruesa no es muy ruidoso, ojales descentrados, reloj despertador cruz de malta caja de madera con excelentes acabados precioso diseño de maquina. Gran calidad

 

[shutterbug]

If you post in English you'll get more responses