Fhs 261-080

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  1. KLS

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    Hi,

    I am taking my first Mvmt apart.
    It's a Franz Hermle 261-080 with number 125-780 with PL = 31 cm.

    001.jpg 002.jpg 003.jpg

    Can anyone expl. the number?
    I will take pictures from every step.. But it's a hobby, and takes probably some weeks.
    Be patience please
    Open for suggestions
     
  2. harold bain

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    Hi, Klaas. Your Hermle movement was made in 1971, and has a beat per minute of 125.780, with a 31 cm pendulum length. First step, let down the mainsprings before taking it apart.
     
  3. Randy Beckett

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    Looks like it's weight driven. Strange puppy with that short a pendulum, unless it's for a cuckoo.
     
  4. harold bain

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    Quite right, Randy, good catch. Should have looked closer, just finished repairing a broken ratchet on a similar movement, in a Zaandam clock. Fun job that was.
     
  5. MARK A. BUTTERWORTH

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    Most of the Hermle units with this number were in fact used in the Zaandam clocks
     
  6. KLS

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    It is from a small Zaanlander.

    Thanks:)
     
  7. KLS

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    And the weights?
     
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    034.jpg 035.jpg 036.jpg 037.jpg 038.jpg 039.jpg 040.jpg 041.jpg

    Now clean it...Make it ready for inspection...
     
  12. dAz57

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    Normally when you dismantle a movement like this, you remove the dial work first, then turn it face down and remove the pallet bridge and pallets, then remove the back plate, this way you don't disturb the mounting brackets, but yours were flopping all over the place so it's a moot point
     
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    Okee, Thanks dAz57
     
  14. KLS

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    The result...
    IMG-20150322-WA0017.jpg IMG-20150322-WA0002.jpg
    Mvmt works like new, clock is painted with Annie Sloan, not ready yet...
     
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    Wow. An EXCELLENT series of pictures.
     
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    #16 KLS, Mar 22, 2015
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    IMG-20150322-WA0014.jpg Ready.jpg
    Before & after cleaning and brushing.jpg

    Ready!! It looks old...
    Its a small Zaanlander 50 x 22 cm
    Found it in an old Barn in Maassluis in a lot with five other zaanlanders
    It was there for some years in terrible conditions, no heating and verry wet.

    First one is saved!! Its called number 43

    Here is the second... He was called number 32
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    I must clean the movement and need a pendulum... 32 cm
    Its a big one, 65 cm
     
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    Nice work KLS.
    Can you tell me the weight requirement for that 261-080. I am thinking of buying one that has no weights with it. Thanks, Danny
     
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    This should answer your question (and the next) :)
    I recall the original weights were more polished though.
     
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    And the next question would be... Where can I find some?
    Thanks, SB. I found some over on the Antique Dutch Clockparts. They were original and made of solid brass I think. 80.00 shipped. Time savers are painted cast iron.
    I found this clock for 85.00 shipped so that would be 165.00 before I even worked on it.
    From what they are going for on ebay it's not that great an investment. Maybe I should let this one go.
     
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    On these 261-080 in Zaandam, the mountings are on the front plate under the nuts that have to come off to separate the plates. I am working the same clock and movement from 2000 (M code) and it is a real pain to get the mountings back exactly to fit the old screw holes. I take closeup pics of the mounts before loosening the nuts, but that is just approximate. Put them back close without fully tightening the nuts, position in the case, wiggle them around till they all match then fully tighten. I hate these clocks.
     
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    That's not a terrible price, and remember that the weights will always have resale value :)
     
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    Yeah, good point. I'm still considering it. Thanks for all the good help.
    THTanner. I'm not a fan of those bolted on feet either. So hard to get them set right. In the past, I have made alignment marks on the feet and on the front plate and made sure the feet went back in the same position. It helped.
     
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    On my own clock a few alignment scratches would work, but I hesitate to do that to a customer's clock. So on these I test mount them in the case without the chains a couple of times to get it right then tighten it all up and put the chains in for the final mounting
     
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    Yeah, I see what you mean. Maybe a pencil or fine felt tip would be better and then remove it with lacquer on a cotton swab. I'm sure many people have many ways of their own. Danny
     
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