English 1867 Fusee

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  1. Britannicus

    Britannicus Registered User

    Apr 26, 2016
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    Picked this little guy up in an antique stall yesterday with a couple of others - worked out about £40 each -

    From case Hall marks I think this is a Chester 1867 Henry Griffith Case and serial number matches movement, so I think I have all in one bit.

    Movement - looks like a Fusee Lever key wind, I've yet to take it apart, but it can be persuaded to stumble a few ticks with a prod or two - the chain is intact, but appears dislodged from winder (hopefully I can fix when I get it apart.

    I don't know Thomas Milner of Wigan at all, so any info gratefully received. On the whole I'm inclined to think I got a bargain - but did I ??

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  2. John Matthews

    John Matthews Registered User
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    From a subscription site ...

    Thomas Milner of Wigan was born in Great Grimsby in about 1818 and became a watch and clock manufacturer.

    He began at Wallgate in 1841, was trading at Queen Street 1845-8, Millgate in 1851, appears in the 1855 trade directory at Market Place, 1 St. Thomas Street in 1858, 46 Market Street 1861-73.

    Thomas was living at Wallgate in the 1841 census and gave his occupation as watchmaker and his age as 20.

    For the 1861 census he was living at 10 Lansdowne Terrace, Wigan. Thomas Milner (43) watch and clock manufacturer, wife Margaret (37) born in Lincolnshire, Mary (16), Thomas (11), Margaret (6) and a house servant. All the children were born in Wigan.

    By 1871 he was living at 39 Upper Dicconson Street, Thomas Milner (53) watchmaker, master, wife Margaret (46), Thomas (21) watchmaker, Margaret (16), Arthur Henry (4), grandson Thomas Milner Vety (5), granddaughter Margaret Eleanor Vety (2) and a general servant.

    In the 1881 census Thomas had changed his place of birth to Stourbridge, Yorkshire, England. He was still living at 39 Upper Dicconson St. Thomas Milner (63) Master Watch Maker, wife Margaret (58), Arthur Henry (14), watchmakers apprentice, grandsons Thomas Milner Varty (15) and Albert William Varty (8) plus a domestic servant.

    Thomas died early in 1888 aged 70 and Margaret had died a year earlier aged 63, both in Wigan.

    Loomes has working dates from 1848 to 1858 - but the above and the date of your watch extends his period.

    Slater's 1855 Directory of Lancashire ...


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  3. gmorse

    gmorse Registered User
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    Hi Britannicus,

    Sold in Wigan by Thomas Milner, made in Liverpool. It is a fusee lever, the assay office is Chester, date is 1867/8, but I think the case is by Hugh Green, 20 Percival Square, Liverpool, who registered this mark on 5th June 1865, (from Priestley). The strange three-sided punch mark is probably for the jointer. If it runs and everything's intact between the plates, you should have no regrets with this.



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