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I recently acquired an Elgin Veritas 23j Wind indicator 16s and in looking at the Elgin database, it states they made 9000 of this model. Does this mean all the Model 453 Veritas or just the WI ? Is there a breakdown on regular and WI models. S/N is 23,634,320 by the way. Thanks, Marcus
 

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Marcus:

According to the grade No. 453 serial numbers listed in the data base that Ed Ueberall and I maintain of surviving examples of railroad watches and other interesting (to us) watches, the following seem to be wind indicators:

20,480,001 - 20,480,050: 50
20,480,301 - 20,480,320: 20
20,480,801 - 20,480,850: 50
21,078,201 - 21,078,250: 50
21,078,501 - 21,770,600: 100
22,554,001 - 22,554,100: 100
22,554,401 - 22,554,500: 100
23,141,201 - 23,141,250: 50
23,141,701 - 23,141,800: 100
23,634,281 - 23,634,400: 120
23,634,951 - 23,635,000: 150
24,217,701 - 24,217,800: 100
25,271,201 - 25,271,300: 100
25,271,401 - 25,271,500: 100

As always, the data listed is subject to possible errors of reporting or recording.
 
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Marcus:

According to the grade No. 453 serial numbers listed in the data base that Ed Ueberall and I maintain of surviving examples of railroad watches and other interesting (to us) watches, the following seem to be wind indicators:

20,480,001 - 20,480,050: 50
20,480,301 - 20,480,320: 20
20,480,801 - 20,480,850: 50
21,078,201 - 21,078,250: 50
21,078,501 - 21,770,600: 100
22,554,001 - 22,554,100: 100
22,554,401 - 22,554,500: 100
23,141,201 - 23,141,250: 50
23,141,701 - 23,141,800: 100
23,634,281 - 23,634,400: 120
23,634,951 - 23,635,000: 150
24,217,701 - 24,217,800: 100
25,271,201 - 25,271,300: 100
25,271,401 - 25,271,500: 100

As always, the data listed is subject to possible errors of reporting or recording.
Thanks very much for that information; so only 1190 out of 9000 grade 453’s were WI models. That is a fairly scarce variation. This one is the first I have personally run across. In your opinion, why would Elgin have discontinued this model; what took its place? Regards, Marcus
 

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Page 101 of Complete Price Guide to Watches, No 33, R. Gilbert, T. Engle and C. Shugart, Tinderbox Press, Mount Pleasant, SC, 2013 (the most popular watch price guide on the market at the time, but now no longer in print) lists the below ratings of quantities. Although the assignment of 'Stars' elsewhere in the book may be open to debate (or in some instances, is demonstrably incorrect), the definitions used are as good as any in establishing the meanings of terms such as rare, scarce, etc.

Star Ratings

No. of StarsTermQuantity
*****Rare1-25
****Scarce100
***Very Few350
**Sparse1,000
*Uncommon2,500

So, I wouldn't use the term "fairly scarce" to discribe an estimated quantity of 1,190 (probably closer to 1,400). To me, its uncommon.

As to why Elgin discontinued the Veritas grade wind indicator; my guess would be low sales. People who wanted a 16-size, 23-jewel, wind indicator could buy a BWR grade No. 494.
 

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In case you are looking for your main spring question I moved it to
the watch repair section with it's own thread.
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