(Elgin) Private Label Research

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Elgin Duchess.

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Regular Elgin dial

Maybe it was a grade name not a Private Label. One that didn't make it.
I would say it was a scarce variation if it were a grade.
I have only seen very
few of them. Found it in my movement pile.

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I recently showed this watch in the "latest additions" thread, but I am showing it again because it is an unusual Elgin PL: an 18k open face Jeannot & Shiebler-cased Elgin Grade 72 21j "convertible" that is a triple-signed Bailey, Banks & Biddle PL. Only about 450 Grade 72 were made; very few of them were private labelled.

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I think the movement will glisten once I get it cleaned.
 

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National watch Co, 10s, Lady Elgin model 3.
Movement and dial marked "California Lady"
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Wonderful dial and hands. Movement is also in great condition. This is another set of labels that have been the focus of research for a while now. I don't believe they are private labels in the normal sense. Once a little more information is pulled together an article will be written up. I will say that there are 4 grades. Here are what they correspond to.
Pacific Watch is HH Taylor
California Watch is G.M. Wheeler
San Fransisco Watch is M.D. Ogden
California Lady is Lady Elgin

The California Lady is 10s so is only available in Key wind, but I've seen California and San Fransisco as key or stem. The Pacific I've seen as keywind, and think it was also available as stem wind but can not confirm.

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At least one ad should be shown I suppose. Another of my favorite slogans, A Western Watch For Western Men!

After the transcontinental railroad was completed, goods could be readily shipped to the coast for much cheaper than before, and many companies took advantage of the hoards of settlers and fortune seekers now identifying themselves as westerners. National watch Co was no different.

This is courtesy of the library of Congress. Gold Hill is a hop and a skip from Virginia City and the Comstock Lode. Marketing at its finest!

This advertisement is from 1875.
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One more post for you tonight. A pair of grade 177 Elgin, 6s movements.

Atlas Watch Co # 7105695
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Sun-Dial # 7582237
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None of these are uncommon by any means, but in regards to themselves, the Arabic dials are harder to find than Roman. There are a wide range of variation to these. 18s model 4 and 5, 6s open-faced and hunter, and all can be Roman & Arabic. The most difficult to find from my observations are the 6 size open-faced which are the same movements as shown above with conversion dials less seconds bit. They are a fun bunch to keep an eye on. Couldn't pass up these two nice running movements for what I paid. Not sure if I'll clean, lube and case them.
 

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Here is a 16s model 6 for J.S. Barnard of London, Ontario.
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Grade 312, 15 jewels.
Nice signed dial
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I have a decent hunting case that needs a little work and a tenant. This was just about perfect for it.

Since he is from Canada, most of my usual resourses are not much help. Because of this it's hard to really sum up Mr. Barnard better than this article from the Archives at Whitby Public Library

The photo here is courtesy of the same web page, no copyright.
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I'll be honest... I saw London and thought it was neat to find a later (1908) signed Elgin movement and dial from "across the pond". I quickly learned it was "across the lake" instead! A little under 6 hour drive from the burgh. Pretty neat.
 

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