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  1. Fred Hansen

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    10364545 - Rovelstad Bros., Elgin Ill. (marked movement and SS Arabic fancy dial)

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  2. Fred Hansen

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    2127782 - E.L. Vognild, Chicago IL (marked movement and DS Roman dial)

    2233188 - The R.W. Sears (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    3800593 - S.W. Fellows, Lawrence Mass. (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    6676006 - Standard (marked movement, DS Arabic "Elgin Nat'l Watch Co., H" dial)

    9789774 - Frank G. Will, Jeweler, Albany Oregon (marked SS Arabic fancy dial only)

    C. Jansen (marked 16 size SS Roman fancy dial only)
     
  3. Fred Hansen

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    9453705 - L.M. Philbin, LaFayette Ind. (marked SS Arabic fancy dial only)

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  4. Fred Hansen

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    One I no longer own but just found that I still had photos of ...

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    303784 - Wait Dewey & Co., Ravenna O. (marked movement with cut-out balance cock)

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  5. Fred Hansen

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    245722 - H.F. Andrews, Strasburg PA (marked movement with cutout balance cock, SS Roman "National Watch Co." dial)

    2445502 - S & T Child, Philadelphia (marked movement, SS Roman "Elgin Nat'l Watch Co." dial)

    8607926 - Ludwig Wolff, Canton Ohio (marked SS Roman dial only)

    11147897 - Smith Bros., Est'd 1862, Elyria O. (marked SS Roman fancy dial only)

    13320361 - Lewy Bros. Co. (marked SS radial Arabic fancy dial only)

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  6. Randy Becker

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    Albert Pfeifer/Little Rock, Ark
    Elgin.O size. Hunter case. Gold filled.
    7jewels. sr#7958818. Circa 1898
     
  7. Fred Hansen

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    329130 - J.W. Tucker & Co., San Francisco Cal. (marked movement with cutout balance cock, SS Roman "Tucker's Granger Watch" dial with image of a sheath of wheat)

    8607926 - Ludwig Wolff, Canton Ohio (marked SS Roman dial only)

    9370598 - Tall Bros., South Haven Mich. (marked SS Roman dial only)

    9440781 - H.B. Potthoff, Latrobe PA (marked SS Roman dial only)

    22439441 - C.D. Peacock (marked DS Arabic dial only)

    Ross Larrabee, Macon MO (marked SS Arabic dial only)

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  8. Fred Hansen

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    5158044 - W.J. Sweet, Leesburg Fla. (marked SS Roman dial only, factory marked movement missing balance cock)

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    That is "Irion & Girardet, Louisville KY" ... I've seen this pair of names on other private-labels before.

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  11. John F

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    Thanks for all the new data!
     
  12. R.Hallenbeck

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    Thanks Fred, now I know for certain.
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  13. Fred Hansen

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    9905755 - Rovelstad Bros., Elgin Ill. (marked movement, fancy SS Roman "Elgin" dial)

    14671892 - P. Hebner & Son, Boonville Ind. (marked SS Roman dial only)

    16206388 - C.D. Peacock (marked DS Arabic dial only)

    17405848 - C B (or "B C" ... monogram marked SS Arabic dial only)

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  14. Fred Hansen

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    1466651 - Holtby & Crawford, Woodstock Ont. (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

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  15. Modersohn

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    6202413153

    One sidenote:

    Fred seems to be correct in identifying the name 'Irion'-- but having checked Wayne Schlitt's Elgin pages (and the Nawcc site, which also has references to this firm), I found that he seems to have misinterpreted the name as Prion.

    Therefore I found references to "Prion and Girardet:" of Louisville Ky. on several private label watches listed in his database.

    The name Irion seems to me much more likely, as I found a reference to an Irion jewelers in Kentucky, including a business card, possibly from the 1930's or 1940's for a "Matt Irion & Sons" of Louisville Ky.

    Item number 6202413153.

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  16. Fred Hansen

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    2704436 - H.E. Hillman & Co., Wheeling W. Va. (marked DS Arabic dial only)

    9779026 - C.D. Peacock (marked Arabic dial only)

    9905755 - Rovelstad Bros., Elgin Ill. (marked movement, fancy SS Roman "Elgin" dial)

    10554708 - Peter H. Loeper, Ashland PA (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    11936548 - Hess & Culbertson Jewelry Co., St. Louis (marked movement, SS Arabic "Hess & Culbertson" dial)

    12308048 - Fall Bros., South Haven Mich. (marked SS Arabic dial only with blue lettering and numerals)

    13437437 - A. Newsalt, Dayton O. (marked SS Roman dial only)

    13997722 - C.D. Peacock (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    14129075 - Ben Schneider Jewelry Co., Cincinnati O. (marked SS Arabic dial with blue numerals and lettering)

    25535318 - Mermod Jaccard & Co., St. Louis (marked SS Roman dial only)

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  17. Fred Hansen

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    16621591 - Kansas City Life Special (signed movement, DS Arabic dial with "KCL" in colored logo, Fahy's Permanent gold-filled case marked "Kansas City Life Insurance Company, Kansas City MO." on cuvette)

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    5538799 - W. Burr & Son, Carbondale PA (marked movement and DS Roman dial)

    19568278 - Chas. Kuhn, 1748 Chouteau Ave., St. Louis MO (marked SS fancy radial Arabic dial only)

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    11822999 - C.D. Peacock (marked DS Arabic dial only)

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  20. Fred Hansen

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    More sightings ...

    309004 - Made Expressly for B.L. Stone, Portland O., Manf'd Elgin Ill., Adjusted (marked movement with no balance cutout, SS Roman "Elgin Nat'l. Watch Co." dial)

    3528991 - C.P. Barnes & Bro., Louisville KY (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    6355917 - State Street (marked movement, SS Roman 24 hour "Elgin Nat'l. Watch Co." dial)

    7958818 - Albert Pfeiffer, Little Rock Ark. (marked SS Roman dial only)

    7958906 - C.D. Peacock (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    10111935 - Commonwealth, Elgin Nat.l Watch Co. (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    10366913 - Balghowsky Special (marked SS Roman dial only)

    10468716 - P. Castagnetto, San Francisco Cal. (marked SS Roman fancy dial only)

    12047051 - Brock & Feagans, Los Angeles (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    13109764 - F.T. Tyrrell, Rutland VT (marked SS Arabic recessed center dial only)

    14170928 - H.F. Steck (marked SS Roman fancy dial only)

    19779958 - Strand (marked movement, SS Arabic "Elgin" dial)

    20595099 - Fine Time (marked SS Arabic fancy dial also with image of an eye inside the letter "C")

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  21. Fred Hansen

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    Another pair from down South ...

    18607304 - Stevenson Bros., Adelaide (marked SS Roman dial which is also signed "Made in U.S.A." in small letters under the seconds-bit, factory marked Elgin movement)

    22742364 - W.C. Nicol, Watchmaker and Jeweler, Bowral (marked SS Roman dial, factory marked Elgin movement)

    Interesting to me that there are apparently a number of these private-label Elgins that made their way to Australia.

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  22. Fred Hansen

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    Found one I noted at a show last year ...

    8488012 - E.V. Roddin & Co., Chicago (marked movement and DS Arabic dial)

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  23. Fred Hansen

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    Trying my best to keep John busy ...



    205072 - J.W. Tucker & Co., San Francisco Cal. (SS Roman "Tucker's Granger Watch" dial with same image as 18 size Tucker's Granger dials)

    326222 - W.H. Joslin, Holland Mich., Manfd. Elgin Ills. (marked movement with cut-out balance cock, SS Roman "Elgin Nat'l Watch Co." dial)

    372394 - Henry Reib, Davenport Iowa (marked movement)

    2156054 - Riggs & Brother, Philadelphia (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    2233258 - The R.W. Sears (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    2680792 - Thomas H. Tilden, Boston Mass. (marked movement, DS Arabic "Elgin Nat'l Watch Co." dial)

    3102194 - M. Judd, Toledo Ohio (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    3511392 - M.L. Merriman, Copenhagen NY (marked movement, SS Roman "Copenhagen NY" dial)

    3528991 - C.P. Barnes & Bros., Louisville KY (marked movement and dial)

    3922786 - Johan Sverdrup, Elgin Ill. (marked movement, SS Roman "Rovalstad Bros., Elgin Ill." dial)

    3922958 - Johan Sverdrup, Elgin Ill. (marked movement, SS Arabic unsigned fancy dial)

    4042134 - J. Glick, Stockton Cal. (marked SS Roman dial only)

    4207933 - F.C. Freeman, Newboro (marked SS Roman dial only)

    5995578 - S.L. Hart, Flemington NJ (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    7335027 - Rovelstad Bros., Elgin Ill. (marked movement and SS Roman fancy color dial)

    7958818 - Albert Pfeifer, Little Rock Ark. (marked dial)

    7958906 - C.D. Peacock (marked dial)

    8504027 - Duhme Bros. & Co., Cincinnati (marked movement and SS Arabic dial)

    9706444 - C. Kibele & Co., Philadelphia PA (marked SS Roman dial only)

    10111935 - Commonwealth (marked dial)

    10366913 - Balghowsky Special (marked dial)

    10468716 - P. Castagnetto, San Francisco Cal. (marked dial)

    11151885 - Montgomery Bros., Los Angeles Cal. (marked DS Roman dial only)

    11692885 - S.H. Asquith & Bro., Waterloo Iowa (marked SS Arabic fancy color dial only)

    12031041 - For Ben Schneider Jewelry Co. Cincinnati Ohio by Elgin Nat'l Watch Co. (marked movement, SS Arabic "Ben Schneider Jewelry Co. Cincinnati Ohio" dial)

    12166799 - Ben Schneider Jewelry Co., Cincinnati Ohio (marked DS Arabic dial)

    12047051 - Brock & Feagans, Los Angeles (marked dial)

    12374094 - Standard, St. Louis (marked movement)

    12419236 - D.F. Dubbs, Hanover PA (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    12854073 - H.A. Bump, Oklahoma City Okla. (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    12855050 - Frank C. Toepp, South Bend Ind. (marked movement, SS Roman "Elgin" dial)

    12996448 - E.J. Avery, Grand Haven Mich. (marked dial)

    13015140 - C.C. Bradley & Co., Batavia NY (SS Arabic dial only)

    13109764 - F.T. Tyrrell, Rutland VT (marked SS Arabic dial with recessed center section)

    13480142 - A. Hahn, Durango Colo. (SS Arabic dial only with blue markings on cream color background)

    13953830 - R.L. Christie, Bank St., Edinburgh (marked SS Roman dial only)

    14599000 - J.A. Lewis, Pittston PA (SS Arabic dial only)

    15085038 - Talcott Bros., Olympia Wash. (marked movement and dial)

    15447096 - I. Dubrow, 632 South St., Philadelphia (marked SS Roman fancy dial only)

    16206634 - Mermod Jaccard & King Co., St. Louis (marked dial)

    17015072 - Made Expressly for The Albert S. Samuels Co. (marked movement, SS Arabic "Elgin" dial)

    17178770 - Charles & Co., 17 Banelagh St., Liverpool (marked SS Roman dial only, might be error in street name?)

    18281702 - Rudd & Neilson, Perth Ont. (marked movement and SS Arabic dial)

    19779958 - Strand (marked movement)

    20595099 - Fine Time (marked fancy color dial only, also has large letter "C" on dial with image of an eye inside the letter)



    Fred
     
  24. Dave Coatsworth

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    15230990 - SS Arabic dial marked Bastian Bros. Co.
     
  25. LloydB

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    Just spotted this one today at a local antique mall;

    Elgin 1875 Grade 57
    sn 371223

    marked dial and mov't
    Rovelstadt Bros

    (It's a bit older than the others in the DB)


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  26. Fred Hansen

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    More for John ...

    2673759 - F.L. Barnard, Lynn Mass. (marked movement, SS Roman "Elgin Nat'l Watch Co." dial)

    3436993 - Henry Ritter, Chicago IL (marked movement, SS Roman "Elgin" dial)

    4755160 - Rovelstad Bros., Elgin IL (marked dial and movement)

    5356494 - Montgomery Bros., Los Angeles (marked movement, SS Roman unsigned dial)

    5890588 - Wheeler & Gee Ltd., Cardiff (marked movement, SS Roman unsigned dial, English silver case)

    10831026 - Frisch Bros., Buffalo NY (marked movement, SS Roman "Elgin" dial)

    12072396 - C.D. Peacock (marked DS Arabic dial)

    12375316 - The Workman (marked dial)

    13489044 - Constant, St. Louis (marked movement, SS bold Arabic "Elgin" dial)

    19637534 - Strand (marked 17J 4 Pos. movement, SS Arabic "Elgin" dial)

    24032081 - Elgin, Montgomery Bros. (marked dial)

    24099716 - Montgomery Bros., Los Angeles Cal. (marked dial)

    26784026 - Dictator (marked movement, SS Arabic marginal numeral "Elgin" dial)

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  27. Jerry Freedman

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    Has anyone ever seen a movment marked for C D Peacock?
     
  28. Fred Hansen

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    I've never seen an Elgin movement marked for C.D. Peacock, all Elgins I've seen have been dial only.

    If I am remembering right a friend may own a Swiss watch that is marked on the movement for Peacock but I am not sure of this.

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  29. Jeff Hess

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    couple fo things..

    I have had several watches from AC Smith after he moved to Mexico.

    Also, came across this interesting little thing in the Ball family collection...


    Amazing how little it would cost to get your name on a watch dial! Private label? 40 cents!

    Jeff
     
  30. Jeff Hess

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    oops here is the pic!
     

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  31. Fred Hansen

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    More Elgin private-labels ...

    4097027 - Rovelstad Bros., Elgin Ill. (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    7815802 - Made for M.C. Conner, Burlington IA by the Elgin Nat'l Watch Co., Elgin Ill. (marked movement, SS Roman fancy color "Burlington Special" dial)

    8000776 - America, Philadelphia USA (marked movement and unsunk Roman dial)

    9992008 - Made for M.C. Conner, Burlington Iowa (marked movement, SS Roman "Elgin" dial)

    10043025 - Loeper Special (marked movement, SS Roman "Peter H. Loeper, Ashland PA" dial)

    10451680 - A.B. Hubermann, Omaha (marked SS Roman dial only)

    11151886 - Montgomery Bros., Los Angeles Cal. (marked DS Roman dial only)

    11608015 - Standard, St. Louis (marked movement, SS Arabic "Mermod Jaccard & King Co., St. Louis" dial)

    12166480 - Lambert Bros. (marked DS Arabic dial only)

    13108484 - F.A. Defiel, St. Paul Minn. (marked SS and recessed center Arabic dial only)

    14755878 - W.W. Matthews, Winnipeg (marked DS Roman 24 hour dial only)

    15213418 - G.H. Elvis, Medford Wis. (marked SS Roman dial only)

    15864006 - John Wannamaker, New York and Phila (marked movement, SS Arabic "Wannamaker, Elgin" dial)

    16053685 - Ralph Hogan, Akron Ohio (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    19451971 - Hammond Bros., Cohoes NY (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    19952584 - Strand (marked movement, SS and recessed center Arabic "Elgin" dial)

    No serial # - Benedict Bros., 171 Broadway NY (marked 18s 15J Adjusted gilt KW movement, no engraved serial but had neatly handscratched number of 1769702 on main plate)

    F.W. Badger, Beaumont Texas (marked DS Arabic 18 size 3/4 plate model dial)

    Fred
     
  32. Brian C.

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    I have an 0s Elgin, H/C movement ser. #8,286,063 signed Wm. B. Joseph. on the dial, and Wm. B. Joseph. Hudson, N.Y. on the movement.
    Hope this helps.
    Brian C.
     
  33. Fred Hansen

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    9193177 - C.D. Peacock (marked DS Arabic dial only)
     

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    239021 - Wood Bros., 89 Central St., Lowell Mass., Manfd Elgin Ills. (marked KW/KS movement ... crown on case is fixed and only functions to release rear lid, SS Roman "Elgin Nat'l Watch Co." dial)


     

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    13476096 - Thalhofer, Elgin, Loaner (Marked DS Arabic dial only, factory marked 21J movement with striped damaskeen)

    Question of the day ... who was Thalhofer and where was he from?
     

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  36. Kent

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    Fred:

    Thanks for showing us a neat watch!

    You may not be aware of it (or you might be), but the book Railroad Timekeeping, James L. Hernick, NAWCC Chicagoland Chapter #3 and the Midwest Regional Convention, 1996, shows Elgin serial number 13,476,092 bearing a dial marked "G.C. Hill Elgin Loaner 349 Special."

    We (Ed and I) don't have any other reports of movements in the first hundred of the run (13,476,001 - 13,476,100). We'd love to find out if these all had private label dials, especially loaner dials. So, if anybody has a movement and dial from that serial number range to report, now would be a good time. Of course dial swapping might have affected these.

    The run (13,476,001 - 13,477,000) is nominally a run of grade No. 349. Nevertheless, serial number 13,476,195 is marked "Father Time." The other eight reported movements from the run in our data base are above 13,476,201 and seem to be marked "No. 349." So, again, if anybody has a movement from the serial number range 13,476,101 - 13,476,201 to report (marked No. 349 or Father Time, or something else), now would be a good time for that was well.

    Thanks,
     
  37. Fred Hansen

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    Thanks Kent ... I remembered that one pictured there but I had not checked the number and didn't realize it was that close. I believe that #13476092 also has the striped damaskeen which is less common to this grade. I'll definitely keep an eye out for others from this grade and report back anything I see.

    Fred
     
  38. Fred Hansen

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    T.A. Iler, Jackson Miss. (marked SS Roman 18 size dial only)
     

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    4329517 - Webb C. Ball, Cleveland O. (marked SS Arabic dial which is also signed "O'hara Waltham Dial Co." on the rear, factory marked movement)
     

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  40. StephanG

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    [whisper uid=723]

    Enter private whisper here

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    Hello Fred
    I have 1 private label Elgin
    16 size o/f 17j #6589102

    on dial T.C.TANKE
    on movement T.C.Tanke Buffalo

    Please add to your list if you don't have him yet

    Happy to post pictures if you want them.

    Steve
     
  41. Fred Hansen

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    The info from this one was posted in this thread a few years ago, but here are pics of #15349253 ...

    https://mb.nawcc.org/images/imported/2008/03/1.php?id=2536

    https://mb.nawcc.org/images/imported/2008/03/1.php?id=2540

    ... and from some Google searching I believe the dial was likely marked this way for the "Ox Fibre Brush Company".

    Fred
     
  42. Fred Hansen

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    Serial #1325769 has "Simons Bros., Columbus O." marked on the dial only ...

    http://nawcc-ch149.com/ch149mb/download.php?id=2531

    http://nawcc-ch149.com/ch149mb/download.php?id=2535

    Fred
     
  43. Joe Kendall

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    Fred,

    Concerning your question on who Thalhofer might have been and where from for that THALHOFER ELGIN LOANER watch you posted I did a little digging in the US census. Figured that name couldn't be too common so worth a shot. In the 1880 census I found a Andrew Thalhofer listed as a watchmaker and living in Chicago, Ill. He was listed as living in the household of his father and only 14 at the time so must have been an apprentice. In the 1920 census there is an Andrew Thalhofer (age 54) listed as a jewelery store manager in Chicago, Ill. There is no listing for Andrew Thalhofer in the 1890, 1900, or 1910 census so now the question is where did he go for 40 years?

    Gosh I love private labels.

    Joe
     
  44. Fred Hansen

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    Thanks Joe!

    I think the fun thing about the jeweler marked private-labels is that they add a layer of history to the watch by tying it to a specific time and place and this can be very interesting to try to research this history.

    Fred
     
  45. Joe Kendall

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    Here is one from my collection:

    13868902 D.M. Leach Caney, Kans. (ss Roman R5M dial only)

    Joe
     
  46. Fred Hansen

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    100 more private-label Elgin sightings to keep John busy ...

    30040 - C. Oskamp, Cincinnati Ohio (marked movement, SS Roman “National Watch Co.” dial)

    150525 - Geo W. Chatterton, Springfield Ill. (marked movement, SS Roman “National Watch Co.” dial)

    246594 - J. Clinton Tribby, Washington D.C. (marked bold Arabic dial which I believe looks much later than movement)

    254916 - H.F. Andrews, Strasburg PA (marked movement, SS Roman “National Watch Co.” dial)

    303731 - I.H. Lynch, Greenville Ohio (Possibly “J” for first initial, marked movement with usual heart shaped cutout in balance cock, SS Roman “Elgin Nat’l Watch Co.” dial)

    1868015 - H. Carpenter, Flushing NY (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    2299954 - 120 Dudley St., Boston (marked movement, SS Roman “Elgin Nat’l Watch Co.” dial)

    2684342 - Rovelstad Bros., Elgin Ill. (marked movement and DS Roman dial)

    2868487 - Standard (marked movement, DS Roman “Hammond & Guild, Buffalo NY” dial)

    3043460 - H.E. Hillman & Co., Wheeling W. Va. (marked DS Roman dial)

    3517891 - H.O. Richardson, Haverhill Mass. (marked movement, DS Roman “Elgin Nat’l Watch Co.” marked dial)

    3574591 - L.T. Chapman, Franklin PA (marked movement, SS Arabic “Elgin Nat’l Watch Co.” marked dial)

    3815792 - Buder Bros., Columbus Miss. (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    4008296 - W. Goeggel, Woodland Cal. (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    4692093 - J.W. Talbot (marked movement, SS Arabic “J.W. Talbot, Nevada MO” dial)

    4695791 - Standard (marked movement, DS Arabic “Elgin Nat’l Watch Co.” dial)

    4741092 - August Krautheim, Muskegon Mich (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    4936993 - Special, A.D. Selover, Newark NJ (marked movement, SS Roman “Elgin” fancy dial)

    6457236 - Specially Examined by R.G. Wehrley, Johannesburg (marked SS Roman dial)

    7437735 - C.D. Peacock (marked DS Arabic dial)

    7522003 - “Glen Haven”, Howard Williams, Delavan Wis. (Marked movement, SS Roman “Howard Williams, Delavan Wis.” dial)

    7685003 - Otto Burklund, Osawatomie Kans. (marked movement and SS Roman fancy dial)

    8810811 - Mermod Jaccard & Co., St. Louis (marked SS Arabic dial)

    9200054 - Mutrie Bros., Grand Valley (marked SS 24 hour dial)

    9229721 - Mermod Jaccard & Co., St. Louis (marked SS Roman fancy dial, 14K case marked “Mermod Jaccard & Co., St. Louis”)

    9276178 - C.D. Peacock (marked dial)

    9787055 - B.H. Steif Jewelry Co., RR Special, Nashville Tenn. (marked movement and DS Arabic dial)

    9788596 - Montgomery Bros., Los Angeles Cal. (marked SS Roman dial)

    10114105 - H. Muhr’s Sons, Incorporated, Philadelphia (marked SS Arabic dial)

    10126034 - Elgin Paramount (marked metal dial)

    10128050 - Elgin, The Railroader (marked SS Arabic Montgomery dial)

    10249480 - C.D. Peacock (marked DS Arabic dial)

    10249820 - Lord Elgin (marked movement, not a private-label but uncommon marking to grade 156)

    10358253 - C.D. Peacock (marked SS Arabic dial)

    10804185 - Constant, St. Louis (marked movement, “Mermod Jaccard & King Co., St. Louis-New York” dial)

    10818032 - Anna L. Silveira, 62 Jackson St., San Francisco Cal. (marked movement and SS Roman fancy dial)

    10976155 - D. Buchanan & Son, Richmond VA (marked SS Arabic dial)

    11022269 - Frank Mayr & Sons (marked fancy color SS Roman dial)

    11229496 - S.H. Abbott, McKinney Texas (marked SS Arabic dial)

    11444777 - T.S. Lockhart, Kenosha Wis. (marked SS Roman dial)

    11569626 - GEM (marked DS Arabic dial, “GEM” letters in fancy script)

    11630320 - C.D. Peacock (marked SS Arabic dial)

    11686207 - H.J. Cook Co., Knoxville Tenn. (marked SS Arabic dial)

    11738591 - St. Charles Cream, Unsweetened (marked dial also with image of cow)

    11749422 - Kortkamp Jewelry Co., St. Louis (marked SS Arabic dial)

    11750352 - Wm. Leive & Sons, Aurora Ind. (marked SS Roman dial)

    12021080 - Standard, St. Louis USA (marked movement, SS Arabic “Mermod, Jaccard & King Co., St. Louis” dial, 14K case serial #262586 marked “Mermod, Jaccard & King, St. Louis - New York”)

    12026029 - Bulger’s Special (marked movement, SS Roman “Elgin Nat’l Watch Co.” dial)

    12117983 - Frank Mayr & Sons (marked SS Roman dial)

    12153015 - Imperial, St. Louis, USA (marked movement, SS Arabic “Mermod Jaccard & King Co., St. Louis” dial, 14K gold “Mermod Jaccard & King Co., St. Louis” marked case)

    12163041 - For Ben Schneider Jewelry Co., Cincinnati Ohio, by Elgin Nat’l Watch Co. (Marked movement, SS Roman “Ben Schneider Jewelry Co., Cincinnati O.” fancy dial)

    12166480 - Lambert Bros. (marked DS Arabic dial)

    12201081 - Lambert Bros. (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    12242882 - C.D. Peacock (marked DS Arabic dial)

    12244982 - E.J. Avery, Grand Haven Mich. (marked SS Arabic dial)

    12369266 - A. Aman & Co., Dayton OH (marked SS Arabic dial with blue markings and lettering)

    12371390 - H. Dearing, Balto MD (marked SS Arabic dial)

    12374109 - Standard, St. Louis USA (marked movement, SS Roman “Mermod Jaccard & King Co., St. Louis” dial, 14K gold case signed “Mermod Jaccard & King, St. Louis - New York”)

    12374237 - Standard, St. Louis USA (marked movement, SS Roman “Mermod Jaccard & King Co., St. Louis” dial)

    12430889 - A. Engelmann, Chicago (marked SS Arabic dial)

    12431788 - H.E. Hulett & Son, Jeweler, Marshall Mich. (marked SS Roman dial)

    12530558 - A. Schemel, 1953 Central Ave., Cincinnati O. (marked SS Roman dial)

    12644737 - C.D. Peacock (marked SS Roman dial)

    12657429 - Elgin Government Special (marked DS Roman dial)

    12725029 - E.F. Davis, Tillsonburg (marked movement, recessed center Roman 24 hour “Elgin” dial)

    12978538 - H.G. Cook Co., Nashville TN (marked SS Roman dial with blue markings)

    13202756 - M. Wojtecki, Chicago (marked fancy SS Roman dial)

    13203423 - Mermod-Jaccard & King, St. Louis (marked SS Roman dial)

    13467620 - C.D. Peacock (marked SS Arabic dial)

    13522315 - Bischell’s, Sedalia MO (marked Arabic dial)

    13792887 - B. Yehley, Delaware Ohio (marked SS Arabic dial)

    14079161 - The Consolidated Time Lock Co. (Marked movement for bank vault timer mechanism)

    14079479 - Made by Elgin Nat’l Watch Co. for N.C. Anstead, Fairfield Iowa (marked movement, SS Arabic “Elgin” dial)

    14220488 - Elgin Nat’l Watch Co., Commonwealth (marked dial)

    14495092 - Elgin, S. Blaser, Lansford PA (marked fancy color SS Roman dial)

    14721859 - J.P. Wasilauckas, Waterbury Conn. (marked SS Roman dial)

    15417790 - J. Ellias, Toronto Ont. (marked SS Roman dial)

    15610014 - M.W. Attwood & Son, Hamilton Ont. (marked SS Arabic Montgomery dial)

    15696029 - Made Especially for L.L. Moore, Seattle (marked movement, Arabic dial marked “L.L. Moore”)

    15731806 - S.P, Walker, Hamilton Ont. (marked SS Arabic dial)

    15873619 - Wm. C. Hessie, Saginaw Mich (marked SS Roman fancy color dial)

    15909267 - A.H. Frandsen, Monmouth IL (marked SS Arabic dial)

    16163296 - C.D. Peacock (marked metal dial)

    16544636 - C.D. Peacock (marked SS Arabic dial)

    17260242 - Knapp Jewelry Co., Belleville Ill. (marked SS Arabic dial)

    17330072 - Mermod Jaccard & Co., St. Louis (marked SS Arabic dial)

    17534099 - Montgomery Bros., Los Angeles Cal. (Marked SS Arabic dial)

    17901562 - C.D. Peacock (marked SS Arabic dial)

    18658568 - C.D. Peacock (marked SS Arabic recessed center dial)

    19460489 - Strand (marked 16 size movement, also marked “4 Adjustments”)

    19571465 - Strand (marked movement)

    20370799 - Robt. McDonald, Elgin, Vancouver B.C. (marked SS Arabic dial)

    24891775 - Elgin Vernon (marked dial and movement)

    28546030 - Dictator (marked movement)

    36682997 - Elgin Paramount (marked metal dial)

    Elgin, Nebraska (marked metal 12 size dial, watch in original box marked “The Elgin State Watch”)

    Jaccard’s, Kansas City (marked SS Arabic 12 size dial

    Tony Larsen, Jeweler, Rock Springs Wyo. (marked recessed center Roman 18 size dial only)

    Albert H. Rolef, Lockland O. (marked SS Arabic 16 size dial, on apparently mixed movement with 2 serials of 9115017 and 12553854)

    Weiler Bros., Quincy Ill. (Marked SS Arabic fancy 18 size dial)
     
  47. Fred Hansen

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    http://nawcc-ch149.com/ch149mb/download.php?id=3045

    http://nawcc-ch149.com/ch149mb/download.php?id=3047

    11782156 - Bringe's, Milwaukee Wis. (marked SS Roman dial)

    Fred
     
  48. Fred Hansen

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    https://mb.nawcc.org/images/imported/2008/05/1.php?id=3105

    https://mb.nawcc.org/images/imported/2008/05/1.php?id=3106

    6601391 - Mark H. Griffin, Aug. 20th 1900. (marked DS Roman dial)

    Fred
     
  49. johnbscott

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    This Odell dial was found on 18s BWR 9863751
     

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  50. Jerry Treiman

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    A recent post about possible earliest private label Elgins stirred a memory of one posted about six years ago. I snagged the picture at the time but failed to request permission to use it and can't even recall which board it came from. Although I don't feel I can re-post the image I can describe it. It is a model 1, 18-size, full-plate, keywind movement that is at least jeweled on the top plate (burnished settings). The serial number appears to be in the 7-thousands although the image is rather fuzzy. Other markings on the plates (top plate and barrel bridge) are entirely in Kanji characters and I am guessing this was for the Chinese or Japanese market. A pagoda is engraved on the balance cock. Does anyone know who may own this watch today?

     

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