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  1. mch

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    Regarding Fred's beautiful Mexican dial. I am pretty sure that A. C. Smith was the fellow in Chicago, formerly a watch company agent in New York, who tried to make a go of Non-Magnetic Watch Co. of America during the 1890's, selling the Swiss movements. That flopped (the 1890's were an economic disaster) and the material was sold out by A. C. Becken. A. C. Smith then moved on to other ventures. There is no faulting his aesthetic sense.
     
  2. Jon Hanson

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    Like Mexican dials?

    http://www.pocketwatchclub.org/ch149mb/files/watches0004_106.jpg
     
  3. Fred Hansen

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    Elgin's Northernmost private-label?

    http://images.snapfish.com/34572%3A7923232%7Ffp336%3Enu%3D3239%3E494%3E%3A4%3A%3EWSNRCG%3D323336653%3B387nu0mrj

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    9305293 - L.W. Suter, Nome Alaska (marked DS Arabic dial, factory marked grade 270 movement)

    Fred
     
  4. Fred Hansen

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    2360644 - Geo. P. Kirtland, Nashville Tenn (marked SS Roman dial only, movement missing barrel and barrel bridge)

    3277283 - Chas W. Brown, Charleston W. Va. (marked SS Roman dial only)

    3593723 - Irion & Girardet, Louisville KY (marked SS Roman dial only)

    5771746 - Johan Sverdrup, Elgin Ill (marked movement)

    9341482 - Charles H. Hambly, Philadelphia (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    11066598 - Vanderbilt Jewelry Co. (marked SS Roman dial)

    11080989 - C.P. Kryhl, Santa Ana Cal. (marked DS Arabic dial only)

    11236401 - Mermod, Jaccard & Co., St. Louis (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    11673418 - M. Bilsky & Son, Ottawa Ont. (marked DS Arabic 24 hour dial only)

    11797043 - A.J. Stoessel, Milwaukee Wis. (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    12910563 - A.N. Anderson, Standard Time (marked DS Arabic 24 hour dial only)

    14168608 - Geo. H. Cook & Co., Arizona (marked SS Roman dial only)

    Edward J. Jensen, Milwaukee (marked SS Arabic blue and gold fancy 12 size dial)

    Fairfax & Roberts, Sydney (Australian PL marked SS Roman 6 size dial only, high grade 16J? factory marked movement seller would not disclose serial number)

    Paull & McDonald, Elgin, Vancouver B.C. (marked SS Arabic 16 size dial only, factory marked 7J movement)

    Shreve & Co. (marked 16 size DS Arabic dial, eBay dealer states "<span class="ev_code_RED">I took this dial off a grade 156 Hunter</span>" and also has simultaneously listed a bare grade 156 movement serial #6995367 for sale with no dial or case, WHY:???:)

    Fred
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  5. John F

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    Thanks, Fred!

    And, as to the last one, why indeed? *Sigh*
     
  6. John F

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    Interesting connection! Here's a painting of the Potthoff store, which I understand is still standing.

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  7. Fred Hansen

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    4650400 - C.S. Raymond, Omaha Neb. (marked movement, DS Roman "Elgin" dial)

    7435892 - Jones The Jeweler (marked SS Arabic dial only, blue lettering on cream color background)

    11586222 - M. Couture, Lake Megantic Que (marked DS Arabic 24 hour dial only)

    13006640 - Klein's (marked SS Roman dial only)

    13500033 - Lambert Bros. (marked movement and DS Arabic dial)

    15555435 - A. Yewdall, Leeds, Lever (marked SS Roman dial only)

    20005590 - S. Kind & Sons., Philadelphia (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    The League Jewelry Co., Gassaway W. Va. (marked 18 size SS Arabic dial only)

    Fred
     
  8. bernie levine

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    Thanks Fred,
    For all the Pl movements.many new to me...I guess the private label story continues on and on.
    Here is another;
    Ill. #1241210 17j 18 size model 6 grade 65-S Dial and
    movement marked Ross & Haseltine co.,
    Kokomo, Indiana.

    bernie
     
  9. Fred Hansen

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    Thanks again for more Illinois info Bernie!

    The Illinois Watch Co. number you just listed fits into my Illinois private-label notes between these two movements a bit aways on either side ...

    1241129 New Railroad King
    1241298 EF Rucher, Special, Allegan MI

    The rest of this thread though is Elgin Watch Co. data and is being recorded by John Fogarty to this Elgin private-label database at this location ...

    Elgin Private-Labels

    ... and John is doing a great job with this and this is a great resource for Elgin and private-label collectors alike!

    Fred
     
  10. Fred Hansen

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    887985 - J.J. Meenach (marked DS Roman dial only)

    1673050 - T.J. Carroll, Hamilton Ont (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    3115091 - Hayter, Kansas City MO (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    5771746 - Johan Sverdrup, Elgin IL (marked movement)

    5995578 - S.L. Hart, Flemington NJ (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    7408001 - Cady & Olmstead, Kansas City MO (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    8082162 - Ricker (marked SS Roman dial only)

    12201035 - Lambert Bros. (marked movement and SS Arabic dial only)

    18799147 - Von Gunten Bros., Chatham Ont. (marked SS Roman dial, factory marked 2-tone 15J movement)

    27126796 - Turner Brothers, Chicago (marked SS Roman dial only)

    Fred
     
  11. bernie levine

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    1301887 Harry R. Smith Cincinnati, Ohio.

    Movement: Ill 17 j grade 177 model 4 marked
    H.R.S. Cinti,Ohio
    Dial: Double sunk fancy roman numerals
    Marked H.R.S.

    INCIDENTALLY: Harry R. Smith owned an upscaled jewerly store
    in the later part of the 1800's and held a patent #133264
    (1872) for the improvement in stemwind and setting watches.
     
  12. Hairline

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    Hello All,

    Elgin 16S 17J 15731025, singlr sunk dial dial marked: Paillard Non-Magnetic Watch Company Chicago,Ill U.S.A. Has the "white" (non-magnetic) hairspring. The only markings on the movement is "17 Jewels" and the serial number. Tom
    http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/milkbottledude/detail?.dir=/812f&.dnm=4286.jpg&.src=ph http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/milkbottledude/detail?.dir=/812f&.dnm=50a4.jpg&.src=ph
     
  13. John F

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    Fred - Thanks for the additional data and kind words (although anyone reading this should know that Fred's tireless searching for data on PLs of all makes is probably doing more to add to the knowledge base than any other individual).

    Tom (Hairline)- welcome to the Board, and thanks for the data, too! Your pictures aren't showing up, though. Can you try again? (Or, if you still run into difficulty, you can send me the pics and I will post them for you.)

    John
     
  14. John F

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    Here are the pictures that Tom sent me for posting. They're a little small, but large enough to see that it has a "depressed" center for the DS dial (seen in many Elgin-Paillards).
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  15. Fred Hansen

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    1865963 - E.T. Davis, Mitchell Ont. (marked movement, SS Roman "Elgin Natl. Watch Co." dial)

    2081951 - George Pringle, Guelph Ont. (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    3277283 - Chas. W. Brown, Charlestown W.Va.

    4896492 - W.H. Kearney, Renfrew & Pembroke (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    7127147 - Atlas Watch Co., Chicago USA (marked movement, SS Arabic "Atlas Watch Co." dial)

    12048715 - H.M. Heckart, Springfield MO (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    15085005 - D.H. Patterson, Strathroy (marked movement, recessed center 24 hour Roman "Elgin" dial)

    17575328 - Paul & McDonald, Elgin, Vancouver B.C. (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    Edward J. Jensen, Milwaukee (signed blue and gold 12 size fancy dial)

    Kracker & Kosinski, Chicago (marked gold, gray, and black 18 size fancy dial)
     
  16. Fred Hansen

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    http://images.snapfish.com/345%3B8%3B%3A%3C6%7Ffp336%3Enu%3D3239%3E494%3E%3A4%3A%3EWSNRCG%3D32334%3A6276%3A64nu0mrj

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    12285095 - "The Atlantic", N. Gamse, New York (text marked on both movement and DS Roman dial, quotation symbols marked on movement only)
     
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    1376172 - Jas. A. Haas & Co., Phila PA. (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    1773073 - L.F. Chapman, Franklin PA (marked movement)

    3277283 - Chas. W. Brown, Charlestown W.Va. (marked SS Roman dial only)

    8984512 - Geo H. Cook & Co., Arizona (marked dial only)

    12593524 - Montgomery Bros., Los Angeles Cal. (marked SS Arabic fancy dial only)

    13324646 - H.E. Hillman & Co., Wheeling W. Va. (marked dial only)

    16166701 - Anna L. Silveira, ourives E Relojoeira Portugueza, 76 Jackson St., San Francisco (marked SS fancy Roman dial, factory marked 17J movement with gilt trim)

    17213101 - J.A. Floyd, Mattawa (marked Arabic 24 hour dial)

    18691646 - Elgin, Specially manufactured for Kenochsberg Son & Co Ltd. (marked SS Roman dial only, watch listed by UK eBay seller)

    19711844 - Strand (marked movement)

    Fred
     
  18. John F

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    Great looking Gamse, Fred - yours? I think all of the Gamse PLs have had some type of flourish to them - gold movement screws, fancy dial, etc. I don't recall seeing one with a gold-colored index, though. Nice touch!
     
  19. Fred Hansen

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    It is John, and cased in a well worn but apparently original 4 ounce sterling case ... but a swing-out so easier to take photos of just the movement.

    Fred
     
  20. Eric Kroon

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    tj thomas "special" Aberdeen Wash serial number 15698081
     
  21. brg404

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    FYI, The URL for your list is no longer working (from page 1 of this topic). Did I miss an
    updated list pointer?

    Not sure if you have these 18S elgin Keywinds:

    303431 Harry M Carle Indianapolis (elgin nat'l dial) Manf'd ELGIN ILLs (solid balance cock)

    326191 E.L.M. Thomas (E.L.M. Thomas Dial) Manf'd ELGIN ILLs (with balance cock cutout)
     
  22. John F

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    Nope! Didn't have those - thanks for the additional data. The ELM Thomas with the cut out balance cock fits right into a run of several like this private labeled for a number of different jewelers. Also, you're right about the link, which has changed since this effort started a few years back - it's here.

    Eric - is your TJ Thomas marked like that on the dial, the movement, or both?

    Thanks!
     
  23. Eric Kroon

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    Both movement and dial. have you seen any more of these?
     
  24. John F

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    No I haven't seen any other TJ Thomas. In fact, the TJ Thomas and ELM Thomas noted above are the first "Thomas"'s of any kind.
     
  25. brg404

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    John,

    I wanted to let you know that I checked the
    Elgin Keywind (303431 Harry M Carle) I noted
    above and found the balance cock is from a
    different watch - likely the dial also. Just
    wanted to make sure your records were correct.
     
  26. John F

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    Thanks for the update on your Harry M Carle. Unless the dial is clearly inappropriate for the period, it may be original - many early PLs are marked on the movement only, and the 303431 serial number would be after Elgin made the switch from "National" to "Elgin Nat'l" dials in 1874.
     
  27. LloydB

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    This resembles one already in your database:

    Elgin 12402593
    Dial label (only): Braun & Schreiter, La Crosse WI
    Grade 288 18s 7j 1905 ofn5p
    No unusual markings on movement

    The firm was established in 1892 by
    Mr. Robert Braun and Mr. Wm. Schreiter.

    I knew Adolph Braun, one of 2 sons who
    were watch and clock makers in La Crosse.

    Lloyd Bogart
     
  28. Fred Hansen

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    75950 - Chas Lundberg & Co., Negaunee Le L. Mich., Manufd Elgin Ills (marked movement, SS Roman "National Watch Co." dial)

    1378803 - Rovelstad Bros., Elgin Ills (marked SS Roman dial only)

    3229092 - Goddard & Moses, Richmond VA (marked dial and movement)

    4023323 - Montgomery Bros., Los Angeles Cal. (marked SS Arabic fancy dial only)

    6351315 - Rovelstad Bros., Elgin Ill (marked movement and SS Arabic fancy dial)

    6469589 - C.D. Peacock (marked DS Arabic dial only)

    8512091 - Rovelstad Bros., Elgin Ill (marked movement and SS Roman fancy dial)

    9086017 - F.W.Butler, Albion NY (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    12652426 - C.D. Peacock (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    15497466 - C.D. Peacock (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    Fred
     
  29. John F

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    Thanks, Lloyd & Fred!
     
  30. Fred Hansen

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    Glad to help this project John!

    Some more for you ...

    303645 - Chas. Heaton, Potsdam NY, Manfd. Elgin Ills. (marked movement with heart shaped piecing in balance cock, SS Roman "Elgin Nat'l Watch Co." dial)

    3218897 - J.B. Miller, Portland Oregon (marked movement and DS dial)

    8620047 - Constant, St. Louis (marked movement, SS Roman "Mermod Jaccard & Co., St. Louis" dial)

    9082861 - Ellis Fingham (marked SS "Runic" style dial only ... letters in place of hour numerals with "E" at the 12 O'clock position)

    10852708 - John Wanamaker, Phila - New York (marked movement, SS Arabic "Elgin" dial)

    11671511 - C.F. Bauer, Saginaw. W.S., Mich. (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    12158073 - Made Especially for R.D. Worrell Co. by Elgin Nat'l Watch Co. (marked movement, SS Arabic "Elgin" dial)

    15124575 - John Wanamaker, Phila - New York (marked movement, SS Arabic "Elgin" dial)

    17014908 - C.D. Peacock (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    C.W. Lockwood, Hempstead NY (marked SS Roman 18 size dial only)

    Fred
     
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    8245111 - C.D. Peacock (marked DS Arabic dial only)

    8783189 - Montgomery Bros., Los Angeles Cal. (marked SS Arabic dial only with no seconds-bit)

    11949185 - C.D. Peacock (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    12428438 - American Household, Chicago (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    12495992 - Watson & Davis, Bronson Mich. (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    13326666 - Chittenden, Des Moines IA (marked recessed center Roman dial only)

    15378237 - H.S. Siebel, Saginaw W.S. (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    16045275 - W. Dunkling, 315 - 317 Bourke St., Melbourne, Made in America (marked SS Roman dial only, Australian private label)

    16501011 - Laurel M. Hoyt, Special, Hillsboro Ore. (marked SS Arabic dial and movement)

    18221013 - C.J. Peterson, Jeweler, Geneva Ill. (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    Fred
     
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    245181 - L. Long, Mansfield Ohio, Manfd Elgin Ills. (marked movement, SS Roman "National Watch Co." dial)

    1681006 - S. & T. Child, Philadelphia (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    5515586 - E. Atler, Newark NJ (marked dial only)

    8931086 - Mermod Jaccard & Co., St. Louis (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    9879591 - B.T. Hoffmann, Chicago (marked SS Roman dial only)

    10420971 - C.D. Peacock (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    11076760 - Jas. C. Fischer, Flemingsburg KY (marked SS Roman dial only)

    11164863 - Balghowski Special (marked SS Roman dial only)

    12784085 - Elgin, H.O. Bonine, Fresno Cal. (marked DS Arabic dial only, 3 finger bridge Veritas movement)

    14626713 - Unsweetened St. Charles Cream (marked SS Arabic dial with image of cow)

    Fred
     
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    303718 - Geo. Hagey & Son, Sterling Ill., Manfd. Elgin Ills. (marked movement with cut-out balance cock, SS Roman "Elgin Nat's Watch Co." dial)

    3276673 - John M. Hubbard & Bro., Anderson S.C. (marked SS Roman dial only)

    4465605 - Jos. Dodd, Cartersville Ills. (marked dial only)

    6446281 - J. Ackermann, New York (marked SS Roman dial only)

    7777010 - H. Muhr's Sons, Philadelphia PA (marked movement and SS Arabic dial)

    10068744 - Theo. A. Ebeling, St. Louis (marked SS Roman dial only)

    13322074 - M. Schucht, Milwaukee Wis. (marked SS Roman dial only with blue lettering and markings)

    17015744 - TASCO Special (marked movement, dial marked "The Albert S. Samuels Co., San Francisco")

    19571628 - Strand (marked movement)

    The Consolidated Time Lock Co. (marked nickel 18 size movement, in typical metal vault timer casing, porcelain disc marked "Consolidated Time Lock Co., Cinti O.")

    Fred
     
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    http://images.snapfish.com/33%3A9%3B%3C%3A723232%7Ffp46%3Dot%3E232%3A%3D585%3D%3B3%3B%3DXROQDF%3E2323552874%3A8%3Bot1lsi

    http://images.snapfish.com/33%3A9%3B%3C%3A723232%7Ffp46%3Dot%3E232%3A%3D585%3D%3B3%3B%3DXROQDF%3E2323552876757ot1lsi

    382055 - Ingersoll & Sheppard, Carbondale Ill, Manfd Elgin Ill, So. Ills., Normal (marked movement, SS Roman "Normal, Carbondale Ills" dial, 4 oz. Dueber coin case appears original)

    Fred
     
  35. John F

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    Thanks for all the data, Fred - and the "Normal" you've pictured looks to be in really great shape. Can you double-check the serial number? The SN records show 332055 as part of a run of 10 size Dexter St. Possibly 382055? Or have we possibly identified an error in the records?

    By the way, the online database is about due for an update. It was last updated in June of last year. I have about 350 new or corrected entries to make.

    John
     
  36. Fred Hansen

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    Hi John -

    Nice catch ... it was a typo above and it should read 382055. I will edit the error above so that it reads correctly.

    Thanks,
    Fred

    p.s. Looking forward to the update! :)
     
  37. Fred Hansen

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    4051881 - Order of Railway Conductors, Elgin Nat'l Watch Co. (marked dial only, factory marked B.W. Raymond movement)

    Fred
     
  38. Fred Hansen

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    16677407 - Paillard Non-Magnetic Watch Co., Chicago Ill. USA (marked movement and double-sunk Arabic dial)

    Fred
     
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    254639 - John Diesfeld, Port Perry Ont. (marked movement with cutout balance cock, SS Roman "Elgin Nat'l Watch Co." dial)

    254745 - A.C. Axman, Germantown O. (marked movement with cutout balance cock, SS Roman "Elgin Nat'l Watch Co." dial)

    2365806 - Lyman Hall, Skaneateles NY (marked SS Roman dial and movement)

    4009299 - Boyne & Badger, Charlotte NC (marked SS Roman dial and movement)

    9792632 - C.D. Peacock (marked dial)

    12459146 - A.J. Stoessel, Milwaukee Wis. (marked SS Arabic dial ... blue letters and numbers)

    13795829 - Grassie & Co., Vancouver B.C. (marked SS Roman 24 hour dial only)

    16166701 - Anna L. Silveira, Ourives E. Relojoeira Portugueza, 76 Jackson St., San Francisco (marked SS Roman fancy dial only)

    29923706 - Stevenson Bros. Ltd., Adelaide, Made in USA (marked SS Roman dial only ... Australian private-label)

    M. Bilsky & Son, Ottawa Ont. (marked DS Arabic 24 hour dial on 23J 18 size Veritas movement)

    Fred
     
  40. Fred Hansen

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    W.A. Bailey (marked SS and DS 16 size radial Arabic dials)

    Fred
     
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    A.N. Anderson, Standard Time (marked 16 size DS Arabic 24 hour dial)

    Fred
     
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    Fine Time (marked 12 size SS Roman dial ... also with image of eye surrounded by letter "C")

    Fred
     
  43. Fred Hansen

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    7724529 - C.F. Howard, Wakefield Nebr. (marked SS Roman dial only)

    9226260 - Rovelstad Bros., Elgin Ill. (marked movement, SS Roman fancy "Elgin" dial)

    10497055 - Geo. Fake, Oakland Cal. (marked DS Arabic dial only)

    10804870 - T.C. Tanke, Buffalo NY (marked movement, SS Arabic "Elgin" dial)

    12857350 - Lambert Bros. (marked SS Roman dial only)

    15447096 - I. Dubrow, 632 South St., Philadelphia (marked SS Roman fancy dial only)

    15540007 - J.A. Thomason, Salem Va. (marked DS Arabic marginal minute dial only)

    Fred
     
  44. Steve W

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    A late reply here, I must admit and a little off-topic.
    I have wondered for YEARS who N. Gamse was and what he made or sold. I have a wall clock with his advertising on it that my dad found in some rubbish back somewhere in Wellesley, Mass. around 1965. It's about 3 feet high and 16" or so wide, two panels of glass, the lower of which says "PRESENTED BY / N. GAMSE / 15-17-19 Maiden Lane / NEW YORK / Catalogues free upon request." The wood is oak and the movement is from Gilbert in Conn (logo clearly seen).

    If anyone cares to see a picture I can take one. I googled the name "N. Gamse" tonight again just to see if I could find anything and hit upon your board here.

    Thanks much for solving a very old mystery for me!

    Steve

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  45. Fred Hansen

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    Trying to keep you busy John ...

    304054 - O.C. Dow, St. Johnsbury VT (marked 11 jewel KW movement with pierced balance cock)

    507641 - Bradley, Petersfield (marked DS Roman dial without seconds-bit, 17 size UK export cased in open face silver Dennison case)

    1673038 - H.M. Jacobson, Albany NY (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    2108735 - Constant, St. Louis (marked movement, SS Roman "Mermod Jaccard & Co." dial with bold signature lettering)

    2798872 - F.W. Poland, Alleghany PA (marked movement, SS Roman "Elgin Natl Watch Co." dial)

    3831327 - Johan Sverdrup, Elgin Ill. (marked movement, SS Roman "Rovelstad Bros., Elgin Ill." marked dial)

    4465605 - Jos. Dodd, Carterville Ill. (marked SS Roman dial only)

    8088702 - W.F. Sellers & Co., Altoona PA (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    9346161 - Lavine Bros., Johannesburg (marked SS Roman dial)

    11834337 - J. Harrison, Pittsburg PA (marked SS Roman dial)

    12201035 - Lambert Bros. (marked movement and SS Arabic dial)

    12285250 - A.N. Anderson, Standard Time (marked 24 hour DS Arabic dial)

    13041539 - C.B. Wark, Prince Rupert B.C. (marked DS Arabic 24 hour dial, grade 349 movement signed "5 Positions" at right side of barrel bridge, coin silver A.W.C.Co. case)

    13141576 - Arche M. McDougall, Winnipeg (marked SS Arabic 24 hour dial)

    13438656 - Wm. Nicklas, Baltimore MD (marked SS Roman dial only)

    14626713 - Unsweetened St. Charles Cream (marked dial with cow image)

    14776351 - C.D. Peacock (marked SS Arabic dial)

    16353188 - C.D. Peacock (marked SS Arabic dial)

    17213101 - J.A. Floyd, Mattawa (marked faux DS Arabic 24 hour dial)

    22251181 - T. McKinney (marked DS Roman dial)

    Elgin, J.M. Wendt, Adelaide, Made in U.S.A. (marked SS Roman 16 size dial on 7 jewel factory marked movement, Australian private-label)

    Consolidated Time Lock Co. (marked 15J 18 size nickel movement in vault timer)

    Fred
     
  46. John F

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    Thank you, Fred! I very much appreciate your (and others') contributions to this ongoing effort.

    Just as a reminder, the online database for Elgin PLs is available to everyone right here, and is generously hosted by Tom McIntyre. If you have an Elgin PL and don't see it in the database, please feel free to report it as part of this thread or email me at john-sarah@juno.com.

    Thanks!
     
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    205448 - S. & T. Child, Philadelphia, Manfd. Elgin Ills. (marked KW/KS movement with pierced balance cock, DS Roman "Elgin Nat'l Watch Co." dial)

    Interesting to note here that the consecutive number to this watch at 205447 is also in John's database, but is not marked to the same individual but rather to a jeweler out of Macon, Georgia.

    Fred
     
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    Just a note for folks that the online database has recently been updated. Over 400 new listings since the previous June 2005 update, along with corrections and additional data on a number of existing entries.
     
  49. Fred Hansen

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    128744 - Pennsylvania Railroad Co. (marked DS Roman dial)

    129122 - Pennsylvania Railroad Co. (marked DS Roman dial)

    180937 - Pennsylvania Railroad Co. (marked DS Roman dial)

    181107 - Pennsylvania Railroad Co. (marked DS Roman dial)

    181719 - Pennsylvania Railroad Co. (marked DS Roman dial)

    1055261 - Schmedtie Bros., Washington D.C. (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    5151092 - C.H. Saake, Crookston Minn. (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    6044005 - S.R. Stibgen, Marietta PA (marked movement and SS Roman dial)

    8226015 - Howard Williams, Delavan Wis., Special 17 Jewels (marked movement, SS Roman "Howard Williams" dial)

    8487150 - C.D. Peacock (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    8498197 - Calhoun & Co., Elgin, Nashville Tenn. (marked DS Arabic dial only)

    9081019 - Standard, St. Louis (marked movement, SS Arabic "Mermod Jaccard & Co., St. Louis" dial)

    9787043 - H.W. Copp, San Francisco (marked movement, unusual "Rate Dial" ... tough to describe but photos in Ehrhardt's 1980 Price Indicator)

    11192620 - Puritan, Elgin Nat'l Watch Co. (marked SS Arabic dial only)

    12517840 - Chas. Kranich, Phila PA (marked SS Roman fancy dial only)

    12840052 - Lambert Bros. (marked movement and DS Roman dial)

    12855014 - Constant, St. Louis (marked movement, SS Arabic "Mermod, Jaccard & King Co., St. Louis" dial)

    13468582 - Savage & Co., Guelph (marked movement and SS Arabic dial)

    14056460 - Roy King, Superior Nebr. (marked SS Arabic dial with blue lettering and numbers)

    19951912 - John Bain, Pittsburgh PA (marked SS Arabic dial only, factory marked movement)

    24681661 - Paull & McDonald, Vancouver B.C. (marked SS Arabic 24 hour dial only)

    Consolidated Time Lock Co. (marked 18 size movement in vault timer casing, serial number not visible)

    Paull & McDonald, Vancouver B.C. (marked 18 size DS 24 hour Montgomery dial, 19J B.W. Raymond movement)

    Wattles & Sheafer, Pittsburgh PA (marked 18 size SS Roman dial)

    125243 - :???: (SS Roman dial but with curved signature scratched away, same size and shape as typical "Pennsylvania Railroad Co." signature)

    Fred
     
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    126153 - Pennsylvania Railroad Co. (marked SS Roman dial)

    Fred
     

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