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Elgin Grade Number vs name?

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beertracker1

Hello:

I was looking through the Elgin on-line database and am still confused on grade numbers vs name? I see a grade 349 movement listed but is this also known as Father Time or Veritas? Are Father Time and Veritas different from grade 349? Maybe someone more knowledgable can help?
 
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beertracker1

Hello:

I was looking through the Elgin on-line database and am still confused on grade numbers vs name? I see a grade 349 movement listed but is this also known as Father Time or Veritas? Are Father Time and Veritas different from grade 349? Maybe someone more knowledgable can help?
 

Kent

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Hi beertracker1:

The grade of an Elgin movement, like those from other manufacturers, is the identification of the level of quality to which it is finished. This can get confusing because Elgin assigned a grade number to a movement of a specific size, jeweling and finish. If the same basic movement design underwent a change, such as replacing a conventional, bimetalic balance with a monometalic, temperature immune balance, a different grade number would be assigned.

Then, Elgin assigned a name to a whole range of movements (and grade numbers) of various sizes and jeweling, but finished to the same level of quality. Thus there were B.W. Raymond grade movements in 16-size having 17, 19, 21 and 23 jewels and in 18-size, full-plate 15 or 17 jewel, or 3/4-plate 17, 19 or 21 jewel. Each would be a different grade number.

To confuse the matter further, movements of the same grade number, and even from the same run, might be given a different grade name, such as Father Time or Veritas, or not given a name at all, just being marked with the grade number. All of this only makes sense to marketing people.

Study the information on Wayne Schlitt's Elgin watch web site at <span class="ev_code_brown">elginwatches.org</span>, learn more about the grade numbers and names in the articles listed below (available to members on loan by mail from the NAWCC Library), and learn to live with it.

"Railroaders' Corner - The Elgin 16-Size B.W. Raymond, Part 1: 17 & 19-Jewel Watches," Ed Ueberall and Kent Singer, NAWCC Bulletin No. 336, February, 2002, pp. 65-71.
"Railroaders' Corner - The Elgin 16-Size B.W. Raymond, Part 2: The 21 and 23-Jewel Watches," Ed Ueberall and Kent Singer, NAWCC Bulletin No. 337, April, 2002, pp. 209-217.
"Railroaders' Corner - The Watch That Gets Forgotten: Elgin's Father Time," Ed Ueberall and Kent Singer, NAWCC Bulletin, No. 348, February 2004, pp. 63-72.
"Railroaders' Corner - Elgin's Veritas Model - Part 1: The First Three Grades," Ed Ueberall and Kent Singer, NAWCC Bulletin No. 355, April 2005, pp. 208-216.
"Railroaders' Corner - Elgin's Veritas Model - Part 2: The Rest of the Standard Grades," Ed Ueberall and Kent Singer, NAWCC Bulletin No. 356, June 2005, pp. 361-368.

Good luck,
fixme7111936
 

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