Elgin Doctors Watch dial

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  1. D Magner

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    I have a nice pair of Elgin "Doctors watches". One is a grade 83 with gilt plates, and a grade 84 with nickel plates. I am curious about the dial on the grade 83 with the Arabic Numerals. Is this an original dial? It appears to be purpose-made for this movement, but I have only ever seen the dial with the Roman numerals as on the grade 84 pictured.
    Thanks.David

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    My take is it is not original. The first clue is that the dial is stamped, not hand painted. Stamped dials did not occur until around 3-4 million an.

    The next tell is the hallmark of “Elgin”. A watch of your sn range should have “Elgin National Watch Co” as the dial hallmark

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    The bow on the second one is interesting.


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  4. D Magner

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    I will go along with it not being original. Do you think this was a a later Elgin made replacement dial for these movements?

    Rob
    I don't know what that type of bow was called or it's purpose. I am sure somebody knows.
     
  5. Tom McIntyre

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    It is a chain guard bow. It was intended to keep the watch clip from getting below the crown and possibly pulling it up.
     
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    I think it was a later replacement dial

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